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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 3:31 pm 
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From today's AJC:

Ex-Pitcher House Describes Steroid Use

SAN FRANCISCO — Former major league pitcher Tom House used steroids during his career and said performance-enhancing drugs were widespread in baseball in the 1960s and 1970s, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

House, perhaps best known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th home run ball in 1974 in the Atlanta Braves' bullpen, said he and several teammates used amphetamines, human growth hormone and "whatever steroid" they could find in order to keep up with the competition.

"I pretty much popped everything cold turkey," House told the Chronicle in a story published Tuesday. "We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses. That was the '60s, when nobody knew. The good thing is, we know now. There's a lot more research and understanding."

House, a former pitching coach with the Texas Rangers and co-founder of the National Pitching Association near San Diego, is one of the first players to describe steroid use as far back as the 1960s.

He was drafted in 1967 by the Braves and pitched eight seasons for Atlanta, Boston and Seattle, finishing his career with a 29-23 record and 3.79 ERA.

House, 58, estimated that six or seven pitchers per team were at least experimenting with steroids or human growth hormone. He said players talked about losing to opponents using more effective drugs.

"We didn't get beat, we got out-milligrammed," he said. "And when you found out what they were taking, you started taking them."

House said he gained almost 30 pounds while using steroids, blaming the extra weight for contributing to knee problems. He said the drugs helped improve recovery time and conditioning but did not add velocity to his fastball.

"I tried everything known to man to improve my fastball, and it still didn't go faster than 82 miles per hour," House said. "I was a failed experiment."

House said he stopped using steroids after learning about the long-term harm they could cause.

"I'd like to say we were smart, but we didn't know what was going on," he said. "We were at the tail end of a generation that wasn't afraid to ingest anything. As research showed up, guys stopped."
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I like that dude says he just "tried everything cold turkey." Between this, Spaceman Bill Lee and Jim Bouton, I think everyone should just realize that drugs are part of sports...kinda like life

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 3:33 pm 
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does bourbon count as a drug?

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does bourbon count as a drug?


How dare you sully the pristine reputations of both Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford.

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I don't know why this would shock anyone. Jim Bouton's Ball Four pretty much exposed the baseball culture for what it is. But for some reason people have kept their heads in the sand.

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I don't know why this would shock anyone. Jim Bouton's Ball Four pretty much exposed the baseball culture for what it is. But for some reason people have kept their heads in the sand.


that's where the money is, my friend


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 Post subject: Re: SHOCKING BASEBALL NEWS: They've all always been on drugs
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House, perhaps best known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th home run ball in 1974 in the Atlanta Braves' bullpen


he needed steroids for this?


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I hear Cobb was juicing too.

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Alexander Cartwright invented steroids for God's sake!


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That guy said he did HGH. THe only source of HGH until the mid-80's was off dead bodies. So I am calling bullshit.

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That guy said he did HGH. THe only source of HGH until the mid-80's was off dead bodies. So I am calling bullshit.


SACRIFICE!!

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palmeiro advertises performance enhancing sustances. but he would neeeeeever take steroids. no way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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I pretty much popped everything cold turkey


What does that even mean?


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I pretty much popped everything cold turkey


What does that even mean?


I believe it means he just ate everything anyone gave him. He was like the Keith Richards of the bullpen.

HGH? Sure, I'll try it
Greenies? hand 'em over
Elephant Tranquilizers? Why Not..whoa that little bugger really gets right on op of you!

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harry Wrote:
I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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I'm pretty sure that's an illegit and unintentionally ironic usage of "cold turkey."


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