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I look forward to the day that you don't win an argument, which should be shortly after "never.".



I know one person he would be willing to "lose" an argument to or at the very least concede the argument.

If you aren't willing then you aren't as smart as I thought you were. :wink:

hint: she lives in Atlanta


Good Derris.

My father, who definitely harbors some type of mild latent racism, was quick to question my association with the 7ft. Senator during our college graduation.

"Who the hell is 'dat crazy tall guy with the Blue Blocker shades that keeps yelling your name?"

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Are we talking about racism, or a stereotype? Does a stereotype become racism when a race is stereotyped...


stereotypes are useful.
i used to cater at a camp ground and i would cut the watermelons.

when i saw it was an all black crowd i cut WAY more watermelon than if it were a white crowd . . . and i still couldn't cut it fast enough. as soon as i put it out it was gone. when it was a white crowd i would cut two or three and it would slowly go.

is it racist that i observed this?

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Radcliffe Wrote:

This talk of "niggas" and "spades" hits me fairly hard, but probably because, out of all the black people I've either been friends with or worked with, exactly none of them have talked in the stereotypical "ebonic" dialect and exactly all of them would be highly offended by the assumption that they did...


Question: would you be friends with black people who did speak in the stereotypical "ebonic" dialect?

I'm assuming you are not so naive as to believe that just because your friends/co-workers don't speak/act this way, that no black people do? As a white person, if I introduced a black friend of mine to you, wouldn't you be more shocked if he spoke in the stereotypical ebonic dialect?

I'm not criticizing--I think I am in the same boat (insofar as I have black friends and co-workers who do not fit the stereotype...hell the CEO of my company is black). But the stereotype exists because, yes, these people do exist. Saying that does not make me a racist.

Here is the predicament I frequently find: you can look at two rooms - (1)a room filled with all manners of nationalities, sexualities, religions, genders, etc. and assume that the audience is diverse and (2) a room filled with white middle-aged men and assume the group is homogenous.

But once the people in these two rooms start speaking and sharing ideas, the initial evaluation may as well be worthless. If everyone is of the same opinion in room #1, is it really a diverse group? If there is free exchange of many various, contradictory opinions in room #2, is it still homogenous?

It seems odd that corporate society (at least my corporate society) values the apparent diversity present in room #1, but at the same time declares that race/religion/etc. doesn't matter and that these traits are irrelevant.

///sorry, beginning to ramble....


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i dated two black girls in my life, neither of them liked hip hop.

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o nos jewels dated oprah




is the only real explanation


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Aimaa Wrote:
o nos jewels datedo oprah




is the only real explanation


pbbb, i wish.

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which one (/two) was it?! one wonders...

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jewels santana Wrote:
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o nos jewels datedo oprah




is the only real explanation


pbbb, i wish.


Gotcha, bitch!

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which one (/two) was it?! one wonders...

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Damn! Dem' hoes sho' is fine!

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this thread is proof positive that this obner owns cmj. The back and forth between the celebrated Captain, and the honorable Senator has made my day.


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The back and forth between the celebrated Captain, and the honorable Senator has made my day.


... kind of like being a peeping tom at the window of an old married couple, who are finally coming to the beautiful realization that is is their differences that allow them such a wonderful, boundless union.

Except that they are both dudes, which would be illegal most everywheres.

Go back to Canadia, commies!


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seamonster Wrote:
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This talk of "niggas" and "spades" hits me fairly hard, but probably because, out of all the black people I've either been friends with or worked with, exactly none of them have talked in the stereotypical "ebonic" dialect and exactly all of them would be highly offended by the assumption that they did...


Question: would you be friends with black people who did speak in the stereotypical "ebonic" dialect?

I'm assuming you are not so naive as to believe that just because your friends/co-workers don't speak/act this way, that no black people do?

I don't choose my friends and coworkers on the basis of their slang, I'm merely saying that I live in a part of the world (and in a segment of society) where that dialect is not spoken and, therefore, artificially donning that slang (or approving of it) in any context would be ultimately ridiculous of me.

I also said I'd probably be shocked silly if I spent any time in the American south - so apply that to your second question.


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What do you call a black dude who flies airplanes?

A pilot, what are you a fucking racist?

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Good to see I didn't miss much whilst installing countertops this weekend. Your mobile palace survive the hurricane, senator?

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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
Good to see I didn't miss much whilst installing countertops this weekend. Your mobile palace survive the hurricane, senator?


That was last weekend. I see current events are your strong suit.

In other news, the Berlin Wall was taken down, and some dudes flew planes into the Twin Towers.

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harry Wrote:
I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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I'm actually aware of what weekend it was (for once) smartass, I was just asking because I never did. Nevermind, my feelings are now hurt, and I no longer give a shit. I trust you managed to find passable barbeque whilst in atlanta?

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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
I'm actually aware of what weekend it was (for once) smartass, I was just asking because I never did. Nevermind, my feelings are now hurt, and I no longer give a shit. I trust you managed to find passable barbeque whilst in atlanta?


Haha..I am just twisting the screw, Cap'n. I actully have been at my dad's this weekend. I almost got Fat Matt's last weekend in ATl, after hitting Jim and Nick's in Bombingham, but, and you'll love this: I was TOO LAZY TO LEAVE THE HOUSE SO I ORDERED THAI FOOD.

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harry Wrote:
I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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The thai make excellent bbq. You ain't foolin no one.

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