yeah. i'm really terrified that by going to art school i'm doing the wrong thing.. maybe it'll drive me away from art, drain my passion, be my last years of creating work, i won't end up with a good career.
but anyways, i personally think it's great when people really know the subject theyre passionate about. like mot, for instance. he knows how to talk about the subject he's studied through college and can back up his thoughts with factual information.
it's not a bad thing to be a know it all, as long as you don't present yourself to be an elite artist asshole, but that goes for everything. that stands for music, science, literature, anything.
in my opinion mot didn't present himself this way at all, he was merely commenting on the ways the album cover were not aesthetically pleasing. i commend him on the knowledge he obtains.
i'd like to talk to artists that can present ideas like that on works of art at galleries or just during normal conversations. it makes for a more interesting conversation than one would be if someone just said "damnit that piece is really bad", if someone presented their reasons for why they thought it was.

i'm babbling, i hope you get what i'm saying.

I've never taken a single design class since Sculpture (blow-off!) in 10th grade, yet whoring it for advertisers pays my damn bills, bitches.

based on bullshit art school textbooks.

especially this comment "The projectors aren't centered vertically either, and they really need to be." that cracked me up.

thats just how he sees it, you don't have to agree.

i never hated the album art, though. i never even really looked at it enough to notice any of the problems, but i still didn't think it was anything special.

When did a degree in art ever mean anything? And, by the way, I was hired for my job specifically because of my art degree.

Dalen, what's your problem? I thought you were simply being playfully insulting, but it appears you're just actually being an ass. What's up with that? Did I offend you with an actual, qualified, explanatory reason as to why Twin Cinema's artwork is so bad? Wait - are you the "artist" behind this?

i just found your textbook reasons as to why it was bad, comedic.

oh yeah, but you're a designer, you should know.

So it would be preferrable if designers didn't actually know anything? Oh, that's right. Because the world needs more terrible design like Twin Cinema.


You don't go to school to learn to be creative. Anyone who thinks that is a moron. You go to school to expand the knowledge in your areas of interest. But there are just as many untrained bad artists out there as there are trained bad artists. Just like anyone who graduates with a degree in English can say, "hey, that's really bad grammar because . . . ," I can say, "hey, that's really bad design because . . . " I don't need the degree to do so, but in getting the degree I sure learned a lot about why bad design is bad design. And I explained why that was bad design.

I can't believe we can't discuss some truly awful artwork without it erupting into an argument, not because we disagree that it's awful artwork, but because I actually said why it was awful. Amazing.

I could say exactly the same thing about your responses to me. It's a perfect textbook example of the hipster-wannabe who wants to put down everything - you just roll out the cliche'd, dismissive insults.

Okay, I'm done here. This is just plain stupid. My wife and I are going to go take our baby over to see her grandparents to play for while. It will probably be a lot more mature than the direction this is headed.

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Fucking awful.

Beautiful.

It's even worse when you hear it.

I heard that "Love Revolution" song and thought it was hysterical. I honestly refuse to listen to the rest of the album because I am a HUGE Big Star fan and I don't want my idea of them to be ruined by the new one. I'd always like to think that they ended around '74 (which they did -- I can't believe they're even releasing the new one under the name Big Star)

is that the new Bloodhound Gang? I used to love One Fierce Beer Coaster in my early teens

If you're going to put yourself on your album cover at least make sure that you, you know, look remotely good.

one of your recent purchases?

Of course. One of the top 3 albums of the year.

That guy needs to do a split seven inch with Ticklemonster....

Ten years on, I like this album art ok....