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as do i...but i love that little jiggling chicky in your post...i get enthralled with that every time i see it


i think every 3rd thread on this board has a similar comment about that chick. :lol:

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this news just in! James Frey told Oprah "yeah, i made it all up you fat ape".

millions celebrate in the streets, while millions of overweight Oprah-sheep head for the freezer for a gallon of ice cream.


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If this guy's name were preceded by "Reverend", you people would have a field day with it.


haha, now that's the damn truth.

or a Repub.


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this news just in! James Frey told Oprah "yeah, i made it all up you fat ape".

millions celebrate in the streets, while millions of overweight Oprah-sheep head for the freezer for a gallon of ice cream.


that would be awesome.

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This dude, Dave Eggers and whoever the fuck else all just make me wanna drive my car off the road. But like fuse said, it fits a narrative arc, so I'm sure its awesome :roll:

I'm not trying to start an argument here, I just have to ask - what do you have against Eggers? I know people don't like his style because it's very random and stream-of-consciousness, and that's totally fine, but the way you talk here it sounds like you have him wrong. If anything, he's writing away from the typical narrative arc that you seem to be railing against.

And, hell, I think it's a good thing if anything gets people reading. Reading anything for enjoyment, that is. I don't care what it is, I just like to see that people actually are reading.


I agree with you last point. I don't like Eggers or this dude or others like them because (Augusten Burroughs, Dave Peltz) cos I find the writing leaving something to be desired, and there is no larger truth contained within their work. Its all "Look at me, my life was fucked up, now I wear trucker hats and get blow jobs from models."

Not my cup of tea I guess. I would rather they go out an write something meaningful, or write without remorse or regret, or write something that attempts to draw attention to the human condition. And then go out an bang models or do coke or whatever.

I find the Was Bad, Made Good story too boring for words. Especially if it was behavior of their own that caused it, and that;s why Mr. Frey is gar in my book.


Oooh, oooh... Hunter Thompson fictionalizing the truth and calling it journalism - Pulitzer worthy, if not Nobelic (to his fans). Other people doing it - I'd rather kill myself with my car.

Aaah, aaah... Klosterman's pith and pop-cult referencing - genius. Eggers's pith and pop-cult fetishizing - beyond regrettable.

... And, no, I'm not saying that Eggers and Klosterman are equals as writers, nor that Frey is Thompson-esque (or Thompson-ish); in fact, from the comments on the composition, it sounds as though he's workmanlike, at best.

But, that caveat aside, what is the deal? What determines one's embrace of one writer and revulsion at another, when they work the same beat, at a similar level of competence? In the case of Klosterman vs. Eggers, is it Klosterman's rise from caboose child of a North Dakota dairyman to columnist at SPIN - a real "Horatio Alger" story, no? - that appeals to you, as you're from similar background and dreaming on doing something "big", while Eggers's upbringing in wealthy Chicago suburb and coasting on that experience that disgusts you?

Seriously... What the fuck?


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Also, nobody's comment that Frey's (apparently, false) emergence from drugs addiction was a recovery-by-pep-talk, up-by-the-junkie's-arm-strap story, makes me think that Frey was alleging that he cleaned up much as LooGAR says he did: he just decided to stop.

So, LooGAR, what gives?


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Im a big fan of self-mythologizing


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My problem with it from that standpoint is that it shits all over many principals of recovery that have helped millions in favor of his own little personal theory that all it takes is willpower...which feeds into the typical american do-it-yourself...therapy, psychology and all that crap is bullshit mentality, further stigmatizing rather than helping people who constantly struggle with recovery in their daily lives...while selling in boatloads by reinforcing a strong cultural myth…

…but the violent, dangerous addict pertrayed in the book would very likely need much more than a little internal pep talk now and then to get himself straight.


Though I didn't read the book, I had a pretty good idea that this was the case based on different accounts from those who read the book. As I stated before, if it helps one person, fantastic. But for each person that eschews conventional treatment in favor of the Frey way and fails miserably, that's quite unfortunate.

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He wasn't some hardcore addict who overcame it by sheer force of will. He was a frat boy who drank too much..dabbled in a little other stuff...and got popped for a DUI.


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Also, nobody's comment that Frey's (apparently, false) emergence from drugs addiction was a recovery-by-pep-talk, up-by-the-junkie's-arm-strap story, makes me think that Frey was alleging that he cleaned up much as LooGAR says he did: he just decided to stop.

So, LooGAR, what gives?


Well, good. As I said before, I didn't read the book, but the fact that he felt he needed to embellish it to make it sell speaks volumes. You can't tell a story that says simply "I got fucked up, I had a ball, life moved past me." And that's a shame, cos I think that story is much more common than the addiction one.

I don't like Eggers cos I find his writing boring, and the whole mcSweeney's crowd is just teddible. I don't care that he is rich or from Chi-town, it's just not my cup of tea. Maybe I like orginality.

As for Klosterman, don't cry for him North Dakota. And the entertainment factor of his writing reallly depends on his subject matter, but I have a sneaking suspicion (voiced here before) that he has shot his load.

The "Wolf Band" piece in SPIN a whil back was so bad it turned my stomach, and his new piece on shirts, while mentioning Jeezy is pretty qual, his 'make up some outlandish shit to compare it to" mode lately is too cute by half.

As for Thompson -- he is like Dylan. His whole life is a lie, but its all true. Them and Bill Clinton. And I think what sets a guy like that apart are his influences.

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