I predict it will be overturned within 3-4 years.

You are 100% right. As I have been saying, this country will be very different in the next four year.

Roe Vs Wade
Alaska pipeline
Old Growth Forest
Big Business tax breaks
Rich and poor inequality growing even bigger


On and on and on, these next four years are going to set us back to the 1950’s. On the surface it sounds OK but in the long run it will break this country in half. I will cry.

This country is halved.

9/11 changed nothing... The electoral map following this federal erection looks the same, verily, as in the last pre-WTC collapse vote. Three states -- three!!! -- changed hands (N.M., IA to Bush, N.H. to Kerry). And even if the nat'l pop vote went majority for Bush, meaning he picked up a little in every state (effectively), how many for reasons of fear... of terrorists?

Rather, social issue voting -- keeping fags from our justices of the peace, for civilly-legitimizing their monogamous, long-term partnerships, making abortion unsafe (an aside: when Matthews, I think it was, said Sen.-elect Coburn wanted there to be no abortions in this country, the report was with a straight-face, as though if, by criminalizing it, all of it will vanish; in fact, it will still happen, maybe less often,... women in this country will either find ob/gyn to do abortions on the sly, in off-hours, or street-hustlers to do them in garages, or they'll go to Canada or Mexico), terminating the Voting Rights Act (basically, not renewing it in '06) -- won Bush the battlegrounds he did win. Devout Latino Catholics in New Mexico broke GOP because of abortion, and 75% of Evangelic Christians in Ohio (Ev. Chris. compose a quarter of the state's electorate, at least) voted Bush... I mean, even if your union/non-union manufacturer laid you off, and you havn't been able to find work anywhere but bussing tables at Olive Garden, at least you can know those queers aren't shaming the Sybaris Pool Resorts suites with their homo honeymoon humping....

Anyway, it's bad enough you have to see all those flamboyant, unwed homos in the employee locker-room at Olive Garden.

this is absolutely catastrophic. people inside america dont understand just what this means. it means that america will become a theocracy. the most right wing democracy in the world just got four more years of the most right wing democratic leader in the world. it could not be any worse.

I'm really hoping that this sort of thinking is somewhat sensationalist and not necessarily true, but I'm also trying not to let myself get upset over this whole thing.

Is it absolutely definite that Bush will get to nominate 4 SC Justices? I mean Roe v. Wade survived 8 years of Reagan and 4 of Bush Sr., but maybe they didn't get to appoint that many judges. I really don't know off hand.

The most we can do is remain hopeful and try to influence our representatives.

He'll get 2 for sure, 4 at most.

There is no way this will ever be overturned... 1-3 new justices or not.

Yeah, I think it would take a lot for this to happen. First, the Supreme Court rarely turns right around and overrules a recent previous decision just because the supposed political alignment of the court changes. Second, there's no guarantee that the issue will come before the court any time soon.

Drinky, I think that you would be right to classify this as sensationalist. For all the talk of dissolving civil liberties, I don't think the balance of powers has been THAT upset. And we should remember that a lot of the things that people point to with this kind of thinking (war, Patriot Act, etc.) got a lot of Democrat (and Liberal) votes. I think as much as anything, the last four years highlights the failures of the Democratic party to stand by their principles and offer up a decent candidate.

I agree with Haq. My general belief is that, despite my support for Kerry, my life over the next four years will likely be unaffected directly by this election.

The Democratic Party has no principles, at least in the eyes of the voting public, and this why King NTAC won again. I for one cannot believe we live in a country where this guy can win two terms.

Anyway, The Republican Party has ZERO interest in overturning Roe v. Wade. Do you have A CLUE how much money they raise, and how many trad Dem votes they peel off with their stance and inaction on this issue?

Whomeve (Kungfu, Billze?) said that the Founders made the system very hard to manipulate in a hasty manner is dead on. I don't guess that much will change.

To all Kerry/Dem supporters: have a little hope, These guys' hubris will be the death of them yet...It just might take a while.

I wouldn't go that far. The Dems lost the Senate, too, you know.

We're not headed towards a Fascist dictatorship or anything, but if things over the next 4 years keep going as they did during the last four, you can expect civil liberties to take a few hits. I doubt most of us will be affected much, but you can't take for granted that we won't.

The Dems are in a pretty good spot to gain, for three reasons. The first is, they are still losing ground, and it's going to be hard to lose much more.

Also, the party would do itself justice by forgetting the 2000 election, burying the hatchet and moving a bit towards the middle, especially economically. Gore is gone, Daschle is gone and you really don't want to run Hillary. Edwards should be on good footing for '08. He ran a close campaign and performed well and showed some broad appeal, now he can take a few years off and come back as a force to be reckoned with in four years. That is assuming that the Dems don't let the Clintons run the party to perpetuate their own legacy.

Third, the Dems should not take petty obstructionist stances to impede the GOP, especially since the GOP has the Executive and Legislative Branches. Give them enough rope, and they will most certainly hang themselves. They have held Congress for 10 years now, and their bellies are quite full from gorging at the public trough--one of the reasons they knocked off the Dems in 1994.

If they sit back and wait, the Democrats have a chance to have their own takeover. GWB has four years in which he will most likely continue to irritate and frustrate more voters. If he does a handy enough job, their could be enough backlash in four years to make up some Democrat ground. They must nullify the sympathy vote, however. Any claims of "not letting the President do his job" work completely against them.

Take a look at John Major, whose second term paved the way for a Tony Blair/Labour party landslide. This election may not be wholly bad for the Democrats, but they must play smart, not hard.

Then again, look at who he beat, not exactly the cream of the crop.



Haha. Look at what I just posted above. Just my thoughts, only shorter.

Don't worry guys. Even if RVW is overturned, you'll always be able to get an abortion in Massachusetts or California no matter what. Probably many more states than that.

Take a few days off! Take a road trip! Get an abortion!

Thank Gawd I got that vasectomy a few years back.