Those of you who like to slam Paul McCartney

Cotton · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:12 pm **Posts:** 17155

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

You really ought to check out Ram.

Prince of Darkness · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:41 am **Posts:** 11048

Spade Kitty Wrote:

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

Spade Kitty Wrote:

Hey, I have Wings' Wildlife and McCartney's Tug of War, so it's not as if I don't try.

Yeah, Paul's post "You Won't See Me" Beatles songwriting is personally disappointing to me, particularly his White Album material. Wings is very, very, very hit or miss for me. I've tried many, many times. I do like covers I've heard of Tomorrow and Some People Never Know, but not the originals. Band on the Run isn't my bag either. I like the last song on the album though.

Tug of War is not anywhere near my favorite, and I'm probably the biggest McCartney fan on the board.

You really ought to check out Ram.

And re: your comment on his songwriting in the beatles, that's a lot of songs you're just sweeping under the carpet.

And why is it "personally" disappointing to you? That's such a wierd choice of words when you didn't live through that era.

I meant "disappointing to me, personally" as in it's not your everyday opinion.

Yeah, it is a lot of songs I'm sweeping under the carpet. Very few of them I could do without. I like some of the Revolver stuff, a couple of his songs on Sgt Pepper, and then pretty much nothing else

O.k., but why any disappointment at all? Like you were expecting more? Or he owed you something?

If i don't like something, i just say I don't like it.

I dig all of the eras of Lennon, McCartney, and Harrison's songwriting in The Beatles. I also dig their solo stuff.

Spade Kitty · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:49 am **Posts:** 4401

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

Spade Kitty Wrote:

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

Spade Kitty Wrote:

Hey, I have Wings' Wildlife and McCartney's Tug of War, so it's not as if I don't try.

Yeah, Paul's post "You Won't See Me" Beatles songwriting is personally disappointing to me, particularly his White Album material. Wings is very, very, very hit or miss for me. I've tried many, many times. I do like covers I've heard of Tomorrow and Some People Never Know, but not the originals. Band on the Run isn't my bag either. I like the last song on the album though.

Tug of War is not anywhere near my favorite, and I'm probably the biggest McCartney fan on the board.

You really ought to check out Ram.

And re: your comment on his songwriting in the beatles, that's a lot of songs you're just sweeping under the carpet.

And why is it "personally" disappointing to you? That's such a wierd choice of words when you didn't live through that era.

I meant "disappointing to me, personally" as in it's not your everyday opinion.

Yeah, it is a lot of songs I'm sweeping under the carpet. Very few of them I could do without. I like some of the Revolver stuff, a couple of his songs on Sgt Pepper, and then pretty much nothing else

O.k., but why any disappointment at all? Like you were expecting more? Or he owed you something?

If i don't like something, i just say I don't like it.

I dig all of the eras of Lennon, McCartney, and Harrison's songwriting in The Beatles. I also dig their solo stuff.

Considering how much I enjoy a lot of Paul's mid-period Beatles songwriting, the fact that I don't like much beyond 1965 disappoints me because I wish I DID like it. Haven't you ever had an artist that you wanted to like songs by but just couldn't?

Radcliffe · **Posted:** Thu May 21, 2009 9:30 pm

I'd say that McCartney's solo work earns the adjective "disappointing".

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Thu May 21, 2009 9:48 pm

someone Linkous this bitch. I am almost positive the only song I know is Band on the Run - which has 1 good section (we're never gonna get outta here)

Cotton · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:12 pm **Posts:** 17155

I can't see how this is possible (this is a grade a classic rock radio staple) but if you haven't, I envy you.

"Jet" is light years ahead of my second-favorite Paul song.

robotboy · **Posted:** Fri May 22, 2009 12:03 am

paul is a goddamn cheeseball but christ he can write a song

Mick · **Posted:** Fri May 22, 2009 3:58 am

Let's get this straight.

John was the songwriting talent, Paul was the "musical" talent.

Most people with a lot of musical talent have their bullshit detector permanently turned off, and don't know cheese when they hear (or write it)..

Prince of Darkness · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:41 am **Posts:** 11048

Mick the Stripper Wrote:

Let's get this straight.

John was the songwriting talent, Paul was the "musical" talent.

Most people with a lot of musical talent have their bullshit detector permanently turned off, and don't know cheese when they hear (or write it)..

This is the biggest load of shit out there.

Both were great songwriters, and both were great musical talents.

I think it's difficult to be a great songwriter without knowing a lot about music since you're writing ... what's it called? Oh yeah, music.

:roll:

Cotton · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:12 pm **Posts:** 17155

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

Mick the Stripper Wrote:

I think it's difficult to be a great songwriter without knowing a lot about music since you're writing ... what's it called? Oh yeah, music.

:roll:

I agree with this, but this same premise could earn Bob Pollard and Cub Koda the rights of being the greatest songwriters in history, no?

jewels santana · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:36 pm **Posts:** 10198

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

Mick the Stripper Wrote:

Let's get this straight.

John was the songwriting talent, Paul was the "musical" talent.

Most people with a lot of musical talent have their bullshit detector permanently turned off, and don't know cheese when they hear (or write it)..

This is the biggest load of shit out there.

Both were great songwriters, and both were great musical talents.

I think it's difficult to be a great songwriter without knowing a lot about music since you're writing ... what's it called? Oh yeah, music.

:roll:

i agree, i'm tired of all of the clean and tidy myths of how one was this and one was that.

Lrr · **Posted:** Fri May 22, 2009 4:37 pm

I keep reading this as "Those of who who like to slam Paul McCartney into a wall."

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Fri May 22, 2009 4:56 pm

Will one of you Kansas City Faggots send me this fucking thing?

Radcliffe · **Posted:** Fri May 22, 2009 5:12 pm

Sen. Posh Oltorf LooGAR Wrote:

Will one of you Kansas City Faggots send me this fucking thing?

Blog search:

Code:

http://rapidshare.com/files/213698217/296_-_Paul_Mc._And_W._-_Band__1973_.rar

Don't get yr hopes up for "Helen Wheels" though, y'lazy bastid.

Cotton · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:12 pm **Posts:** 17155

can one of you Kansas City faggots teach Dave how to search the internet for music?

Mick · **Posted:** Fri May 22, 2009 10:41 pm

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

Mick the Stripper Wrote:

Let's get this straight.

John was the songwriting talent, Paul was the "musical" talent.

Most people with a lot of musical talent have their bullshit detector permanently turned off, and don't know cheese when they hear (or write it)..

This is the biggest load of shit out there.

Both were great songwriters, and both were great musical talents.

I think it's difficult to be a great songwriter without knowing a lot about music since you're writing ... what's it called? Oh yeah, music.

:roll:

You don't need to know A LOT about music to be a great songwriter.

Prince of Darkness · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:41 am **Posts:** 11048

Mick the Stripper Wrote:

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

Mick the Stripper Wrote:

Let's get this straight.

John was the songwriting talent, Paul was the "musical" talent.

Most people with a lot of musical talent have their bullshit detector permanently turned off, and don't know cheese when they hear (or write it)..

This is the biggest load of shit out there.

Both were great songwriters, and both were great musical talents.

I think it's difficult to be a great songwriter without knowing a lot about music since you're writing ... what's it called? Oh yeah, music.

:roll:

You don't need to know A LOT about music to be a great songwriter.

That i'll agree with. But Paul and John both knew a lot. The crazy thing is what they knew without ever studying it, or really knowing how much they knew.

They both had really good ears, both were melody driven writers, both wrote in mixed meters if it suited the melody at a time when everyone was sticking to 4/4 or simple compound meters like 6/8 or 9/8. Both used chromaticism within a tonal area to create tension and resolution, and both also used chromaticism to create quick key changes to non-closely related keys.

That's all stuff that people who study theory in college have trouble grasping how to do, and then really have trouble grasping how to do it smoothly.

Same thing goes for Brian Wilson. Just kind of did it, cause they heard it. So I'm not sure why people always say that Paul "knew more" about music, because they both were elegant writers on the theory side of things, and neither of them studied it.

Now as far as songwriting, i think you can have the makings for a great song with very little musical vocabulary as long as there's a melody to worm it's way into your memory and/or a great recorded vocal performance that is evocative, but then bad lyrics can really sink it fast.

Again, this is just what I think, but feel free to add, edit, or disagree in any way.

Prince of Darkness · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:41 am **Posts:** 11048

addendum: I think you have to possess an innate knowledge of the musical vocabulary you do possess, no matter how great or small, to write a great song.

i.e. infallible instincts can really save your ass and take you over the top with minimal musical vocabulary.

Kingfish · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2009 12:45 pm

I think McCartney is a great songwriter. But he couldn't fall back on a broken home/shitty family life for source material, and consequently didn't have as many interesting ideas for subject matter. I think he's admitted as much in interviews.

Prince of Darkness · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:41 am **Posts:** 11048

Kingfish Wrote:

I think McCartney is a great songwriter. But he couldn't fall back on a broken home/shitty family life for source material, and consequently didn't have as many interesting ideas for subject matter. I think he's admitted as much in interviews.

While John's dad was absentee, and his mom was a space cadet who got killed by a bus, John was the most financially well off of the beatles throughout his youth.

Paul did have a very loving and caring middle class home though.

Kingfish · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2009 1:33 pm

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

Kingfish Wrote:

I think McCartney is a great songwriter. But he couldn't fall back on a broken home/shitty family life for source material, and consequently didn't have as many interesting ideas for subject matter. I think he's admitted as much in interviews.

While John's dad was absentee, and his mom was a space cadet who got killed by a bus, John was the most financially well off of the beatles throughout his youth.

Paul did have a very loving and caring middle class home though.

I never said it was about finances. I'm not one of those "you have to be poor to make art" types. I think we're in total agreement.

Prince of Darkness · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:41 am **Posts:** 11048

Kingfish Wrote:

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

Kingfish Wrote:

I think McCartney is a great songwriter. But he couldn't fall back on a broken home/shitty family life for source material, and consequently didn't have as many interesting ideas for subject matter. I think he's admitted as much in interviews.

While John's dad was absentee, and his mom was a space cadet who got killed by a bus, John was the most financially well off of the beatles throughout his youth.

Paul did have a very loving and caring middle class home though.

I never said it was about finances. I'm not one of those "you have to be poor to make art" types. I think we're in total agreement.

Totally. Maybe he'll write better songs now that the second wife made off with a bunch of his loot though.

I do think good songwriting as far lyrics and melody tends to happen earlier in youth on the whole, which is typically when musical knowledge is not at any kind of peak and the understanding of it is tenable at best.

ptrck · **Joined:** Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:55 pm **Posts:** 5568

now while it isnt earthshattering, the fireman album from last year that paul did with Youth is actually very good

and Jet should be in most top 100 lists i would think

Flying Rabbit · **Posted:** Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:15 pm

Holy Toledo! These look pretty incredible:

McCartney I & II being re-issued.

McCartney Tracklist:
CD 1 – Remastered Album
01. The Lovely Linda
02. That Would Be Something
03. Valentine Day
04. Every Night
05. Hot As Sun / Glasses
06. Junk
07. Man We Was Lonely
08. Oo You
09. Momma Miss America
10. Teddy Boy
11. Singalong Junk
12. Maybe I’m Amazed
13. Kreen-Akrore

CD 2 – Bonus Audio Tracks
01. Suicide [Out-take]
02. Maybe I’m Amazed [From One Hand Clapping]
03. Every Night [Live At Glasgow, 1979]
04. Hot As Sun [Live At Glasgow, 1979]
05. Maybe I’m Amazed [Live At Glasgow, 1979]
06. Don’t Cry Baby [Out-take]
07. Women Kind (Demo) [Mono]

DVD – Bonus Film
01. The Album Story
02. The Beach
03. Maybe I’m Amazed Music Video
04. Suicide [from One Hand Clapping]
05. Every Night [Live at Concert for the People of Kampuchea]
06. Hot As Sun [Live at Concert for the People of Kampuchea]
07. Junk [MTV Unplugged]
08. That Would Be Something [MTV Unplugged]

McCartney II Tracklist:
CD 1 – Remastered Album
01. Coming Up
02. Temporary Secretary
03. On The Way
04. Waterfalls
05. Nobody Knows
06. Front Parlour
07. Summer’s Day Song
08. Frozen Jap
09. Bogey Music
10. Darkroom
11. One Of These Days

CD 2 – Bonus Audio 1
01. Blue Sway [With Richard Niles Orchestration]
02. Coming Up [Live At Glasgow, 1979]
03. Check My Machine [Edit]
04. Bogey Wobble
05. Secret Friend
06. Mr H Atom / You Know I’ll Get you Baby
07. Wonderful Christmastime [Edited Version]
08. All You Horse Riders / Blue Sway

CD 3- Bonus Audio 2 (DELUXE 3 CD – 1 DVD EDITION ONLY)
01. Coming Up [Full Length Version]
02. Front Parlour [Full Length Version]
03. Frozen Jap [Full Length Version]
04. Darkroom [Full Length Version]
05. Check My Machine [Full Length Version]
06. Wonderful Christmastime [Full Length Version]
07. Summer’s Day Song [Original without vocals]
08. Waterfalls [DJ Edit]

DVD – Bonus Film
01. Meet Paul McCartney
02. Coming Up Music Video
03. Waterfalls Music Video
04. Wonderful Christmastime Music Video
05. Coming Up [Live at Concert for the People of Kampuchea]
06. Coming Up [taken from a rehearsal session at Lower Gate Farm, 1979]
07. Making the Coming Up Music Video
08. Blue Sway

There's more included in the deluxe editions, like bound books, etc but you can read about that HERE

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