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 Post subject: Re: New Loog and Dumpjack Listening Party of Fail (The Byrds)
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:15 am 
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Man this thread and band is making me re-evaluate everything. I mean I've held these albums in high regard for a long time, but I always try to sell them short and then I listen to them a second or third time and they just become so classic to me.

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 Post subject: Re: New Loog and Dumpjack Listening Party of Fail (The Byrds)
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:52 am 
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If Dr. Byrds & Mr. Hyde found Roger McGuinn having to re-create the Byrds after massive personnel turnovers (and not having an easy time of it), Ballad of Easy Rider was the album where the new lineup really hit its stride. Gracefully moving back and forth between serene folk-rock (the title cut, still one of McGuinn's most beautiful melodies), sure-footed rock & roll ("Jesus Is Just All Right"), heartfelt country-rock ("Oil In My Lamp" and "Tulsa County"), and even a dash of R&B (the unexpectedly funky "Fido," which even features a percussion solo), Ballad of Easy Rider sounds confident and committed where Dr. Byrds & Mr. Hyde often seemed tentative. The band sounds tight, self-assured, and fully in touch with the music's emotional palette, and Clarence White's guitar work is truly a pleasure to hear (if Roger McGuinn's fabled 12-string work seems to take a back seat to White's superb string bends, it is doubtful that any but the most fanatical fans would think to object). While not generally regarded as one of the group's major works, in retrospect this release stands alongside Untitled as the finest work of the Byrds' final period.

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 Post subject: Re: New Loog and Dumpjack Listening Party of Fail (The Byrds)
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Can't believe I forgot this one. Probably my favourite Byrds album (although after yesterday, Untitled gives it a run, particularly the live cuts at the beginning).

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 Post subject: Re: New Loog and Dumpjack Listening Party of Fail (The Byrds)
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Can't believe I forgot this one. Probably my favourite Byrds album (although after yesterday, Untitled gives it a run, particularly the live cuts at the beginning).


Yep still is. 'It's All Over Now, Baby Blue' is probably my favourite of their Dylan covers.

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 Post subject: Re: New Loog and Dumpjack Listening Party of Fail (The Byrds)
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:12 am 
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Although the Byrds' Fifth Dimension was wildly uneven, its high points were as innovative as any rock music being recorded in 1966. Immaculate folk-rock was still present in their superb arrangements of the traditional songs "Wild Mountain Thyme" and "John Riley." For the originals, they devised some of the first and best psychedelic rock, often drawing from the influence of Indian raga in the guitar arrangements. "Eight Miles High," with its astral lyrics, pumping bassline, and fractured guitar solo, was a Top 20 hit, and one of the greatest singles of the '60s. The minor hit title track and the country-rock-tinged "Mr. Spaceman" are among their best songs; "I See You" has great 12-string psychedelic guitar solos; and "I Come and Stand at Every Door" is an unusual and moving update of a traditional rock tune, with new lyrics pleading for peace in the nuclear age. At the same time, the R&B instrumental "Captain Soul" was a throwaway, "Hey Joe" not nearly as good as the versions by the Leaves or Jimi Hendrix, and "What's Happening?!?!" the earliest example of David Crosby's disagreeably vapid hippie ethos. These weak spots keep Fifth Dimension from attaining truly classic status. [The CD reissue has six notable bonus tracks, including the single version of the early psychedelic cut "Why" (the B-side to "Eight Miles High"), a significantly different alternate take of "Eight Miles High," "I Know My Rider" (with some fine Roger McGuinn 12-string workouts), and a much jazzier, faster instrumental version of "John Riley."]



For a long time, I was under the impression that this was one of my least favorite Byrds albums or that it at least was one that seemed to be overrated and didn't really do much for me. Turns out that in this digital age, a big reason for my indifference towards Fifth Dimension can be chocked up to a really shockingly muddy and low quality rip.

I'm listening to the semi-recent Sundazed Records mono remaster now with brand new ears, and my god it's a like a totally different album. I even upgraded my digital version from a source that I don't know and it also sounds a lot better (DJ's link). What I'm saying is that, if you want to hear this album, you want to find something a pretty high quality, because there is a lot going here.

It's still not my favorite Byrds albums, but it is exciting because it's the one in which David Crosby starts to add some of his flair and the psychedelic influences of the time start to come to the front, but there is still that underlying country-rock sound they created with their previous album. For me, whereas Mr. Tambourine Man was full of 5-star pop songs and Turn! Turn! Turn! was full of great ideas, Fifth Dimension is full of...well, nothing really. It's a mishmash of styles and sounds, some that work really great (I've always loved "Why" and "Eight Miles High"), but a lot just miss the mark. It's almost as if in their efforts to increase their experimentation, to get a fuller sound, they get a bit lost in their own ideas.

That being said, it is an album called about the fifth dimension, so maybe that is part of the point. I still like this album a lot, and as is the case with all of the early Byrds albums, it gets better and better with repeated listens, but while my enjoyment of the album has increased, I'll still probably put it near or at the bottom of the first wave of Byrds albums.

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 Post subject: Re: New Loog and Dumpjack Listening Party of Fail (The Byrds)
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As legend has it, the Byrds wrapped up the basic tracks for Byrdmaniax in early 1971 and then hit the road for a concert tour, leaving producers Terry Melcher and Chris Hinshaw to polish the final mix. Melcher and Hinshaw then proceeded to add copious overdubs to what the group had set down, drowning the songs in a swampy morass of keyboards, horns, strings, and massed background singers in the misguided hope of making the album sound more "commercial" (even Clarence White's superb lead guitar often gets lost in the murk). The shame of it is that the aural gingerbread managed to spoil what might have been one of the Byrds' better albums; it's hard to imagine what Skip Battin's goofy "Citizen Kane" or Roger McGuinn's witty "I Wanna Grow Up to Be a Politician" were intended to sound like originally, but "I Trust" and "Kathleen's Song" are lovely if you can listen past the overproduction, and "Green Apple Quick Step" gives White and Gene Parsons plenty of room to show off their old-time country chops. Not an awful album, but Byrdmaniax is hardly the pleasure it could have been in the hands of a more tasteful production team. [The 1999 CD reissue adds three bonus tracks, including an un-overdubbed alternate take of "Pale Blue" that indicates how the album was originally intended to sound.]

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How many horrific offenses have been associated with the name "Terry Melcher"? I've never heard this album before and am legitimately excited.

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 Post subject: Re: New Loog and Dumpjack Listening Party of Fail (The Byrds)
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Since I've known The Byrds, "Younger Than Yesterday" has always seemed to be their most overall well regarded album by critics. It's the album that came out for the Summer of Love, featured David Crosby more prominently, allowed the band to really experiment with the psychedelic side of their music while still retaining a unique American, rootsy sound underlying it. It's a good record and one I've tried and tried again to love.

And it just doesn't resonate with me like a lot of their other records.

Yes The Byrds were in reality the only real American counterpoint to The Beatles, but the reason they succeeded as a band before and after this album were because they were both more poppy than Beatles and more country, genres that really allowed them to have their own sound.

So the songs that work for me here are the more straightforward ones, echo-laden, featuring the group harmonies, and ones that sound like goddamn Byrds songs. "Have You Seen Her Face" is a fantastic pop song, "Time Between" is a blast, the "My Back Pages" cover is another A+ Dylan cover, "The Girl With No Name" is one of my favorite Byrds songs (and sets the stage for the next couple albums). The rest of the record is mostly good, but it just doesn't grab like those tracks do. It's not as though going so far out that they are alienating me or anything, it's just not what I want from the band.

Regardless, a Byrds record that isn't an all-time classic for me is still a fairly great record and one that I'll continue to play lots.

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 Post subject: Re: New Loog and Dumpjack Listening Party of Fail (The Byrds)
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By 1968 bands had begun to fully realize not only how to stretch out their sound in the studio, but had really started to grasp the concept of creating complete, unified ALBUMS.

That's how "The Notorious Byrd Brothers" succeeds where "Younger Than Yesterday" comes up short. Whereas "Younger Than Yesterday" may feature some of their most memorable songs, it also sounds like a great band consciously trying to be experimental, to mess with the studio and try to compete with everything else that was happening in 1967. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it seemed pointless and the experimentation would take precedence over the actual songs. On "The Notorious Byrd Brothers", the band is comfortable in their skin, has established a psychedelic lean to their country songs that works and have thus crafted their most confident and best album to date.

This album is really a blueprint to a handful of fringe country acts that followed for the next 40 years, the cosmic cowboys that put out some great records in the 90s and 00s - though none hold a candle to what the Byrds do here. Almost everything works, even the short, distorted guitar solo on "Tribal Gathering", which would sound out of place among the entire Byrds catalogue works in the context of this album. Songs build into one another, flow easily and there is this beautifully dreamy haze that permeates the whole record. It's still sunny pop music, but like the best music of The Beatles, there is something else at work here, something that makes it more important and more "musical" than their great early recordings.

It's a fantastic record, one that demands replays and should find itself amongst the the pantheon of other great 60s pop records more often.

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