ok, after reading the whole matt sharp thread the other day, "tired of sex" popped up my ipod today randomly and i was wondering (aside from different band memebers) what really makes everything after pinkerton suck so bad.

i figured there's at least six of you all with a canned response to think so let me know what you think 'cause i'm too lazy to give it more than a passing thought.

I never even understood why everyone likes Pinkerton so much. I got sick of it pretty quickly.

I think the reason they suck now is because Rivers was let down by Pinkerton sales or however it didn't do so well at first and now he's just writing crap tunes to get played on the radio.

Well there's also the whole matter of being insane.

Agreed.

pinkerton isn't perfect like blue, but its good songs are miles above what could be considered the band's more recent "good" songs.

also yesterday i saw a man who looks like how rivers will appear in about ten years. he basically looked exactly the same but with a five o'clock shadow and a generally "older" face. unfortunately i didn't have anyone to comment to and so i amused myself instead.

i don't get the weezer craze either...

their first 2 albums were ok + at times annoying........but for all the attention they got....i just don't get it.....

I love how people I occasionally respect later reveal themselves as Crack addicts.

Pinkerton owns. Its Top 10 from the 90's. Sorry its not ambient or electro-gar. Its rock. Its about fucking a bunch of cooze while wanting a girl you can't have. It fucking changed my life.

There's something Bloor isn't telling us. He's (bear with, but it's true) --

When I first heard The Sweater Song I thought, "who wrote this piece of shit and this song is going to be huge".


I think they're just a mid 90's generational thing.

Pinkerton is a fucking masterpiece. It never gets old ever.

I know deep down inside you all love Weezer. You just feel let down because they have been putting ut some real crap lately. It hurts so bad that you deny ever liking them.

IMO I don't think that everything after Pinkerton sucks. I think Maladroit is great, and a few songs on the Green album are pretty good. Alot of their material tends to sneak up on me over time.

I missed the boat on Pinkerton. The blue album is for me what Pinkerton was for Yail. Green album was OK. Once Maladroit, I didn't care with the exception of the "Keep Fishin'" video.

As usual, Yail nails what I would have said.

Oh, and Green is better than y'all think it is. Maladroit = meh, and I haven't heard the new one, but if you hear it on the radio, it does sound better than most shit being pumped through.

Here's the reason why everything after Pinkerton sucks: because everything before and including Pinkerton sucks.

And you Weezer fans may as well admit it, because trying to blame the band for "suddenly" catching the suck is just straight-out justification for your bad taste ten years ago.

That ain't gonna happen Rads---I'm like you in that I refuse to give any ground on these issues.

I actually didnt like Weezer when Blue first came out because I was such a fucking Pixies junkie at the time that I dismissed it as an open ripoff.

But, whatever, they get it.

Pretty much what sketch said, but add the fact that I DID get Pinkerton a little later and absolutely love it.

Also, the collection of B Sides and rarities they put out in very limited release is fucking awesome.

I love the first album and Pinkerton
there is ONE reason why everything after it sucks.


MATT SHARP

he made it good.

This is correct. The judges will also accept: "Because it's fucking Weezer."

The Neuro family=biggest fucking Matt Sharp fans in the world.

I strongly disagree. Honestly, give me some tangible evidence that this guy did anything important.

Yeah, and Billy Corgan has been crap since D'arcy left his universe.

meh.

I think River's mojo was in his foot, or leg, or whatever it was that got shattered after Pinkerton. The flesh and bone may have been healed back together, but the mojo was forever gone.

[cliff claven]It's a little known fact that most of the great songwriter's mojo / creative epicenter is usually located in an obscure body part. Bob Dylan's is widely suspected to be in his left nipple. Bruce Springsteen's is said to be in Clarence Clemons' tailbone. [/cliff clavin]

I think Pinkerton is great. What makes it great? Damn catchy songs that aren't so Saccharine and so straight-forward they wear out quickly with repeated listens; The energy and rawness of the production (recorded by the band, I think); and the unhinged emotion that comes through in the vocals at times. Almost every song has a bawdy rave-up in the vocals on the chorus that makes you want to shout along in the car.

Which is different from "My name is Jonas" and "In the garage" how?

Production. More of a layered, group feel to the choruses on Pinkerton. Plus, River's voice just sounds more desperate and commanding. I think the blue album is great, too. But it definitely differs in energy and feel. Pinkerton sounds looser, and at times more relaxed, but at the same time, is still harnessing all this pent-up frustration and sorrow. It's a contrast that comes across and really makes the album something special.

its always been the production on this album that pushed it over the top for me. how many otherwise great guitar pop records have suffered from slick-ass, boring production? pinkerton was a pop record produced like a punk rock record, made by a fucking weirdo who nails underage japanese girls. awesome.