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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:09 pm 
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Oasis beats Beatles in best album poll Thu Jun 1, 6:52 AM ET



The debut album by Oasis, the band that best spread the Britpop craze of the 1990s, has been voted the greatest album of all time in a major music poll published.

"Definitely Maybe," which featured chart-topping hits such as "Live Forever" and "Supersonic," beat "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" by the much-loved Beatles into second place in the survey of more than 40,000 music fans.

Another Beatles album, "Revolver," came third, followed by Radiohead's "OK Computer" and a second Oasis title, "(What's the Story) Morning Glory?."

The poll to find the top 100 albums was organised by the book of "British Hit Singles and Albums" and music website NME.com, with votes coming from as far afield as New Zealand, Croatia and Colombia.

Fans were given no pre-ordained list to chose from in the survey, drawn up to celebrate 50 years of Britain's official albums chart.

David Roberts, editor of "British Hit Singles and Albums," said: "Usually these polls are full of records that people have only just bought because they are freshest in the mind.

"But this poll shows that the truly great albums always have longevity."

Only two albums in the top 20 were released in the past five years.

"Up the Bracket," the 2002 debut by drug-troubled bad boy Pete Doherty's former band The Libertines, is the newest album in 15th place.

Only two bands from the United States had an album in the best 20. Nirvana came sixth with "Nevermind" and The Strokes were 20th with "Is This It."

In seventh place was the Stone Roses' self-titled album, followed by Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon" and The Smiths' "The Queen Is Dead."

"Definitely Maybe," which cost just 85,000 pounds (158,000 dollars, 124,000 euros) to produce, was released on August 30, 1994 and debuted at the top of the British chart a week later, with seven million copies selling worldwide


source: yahoo.com

Even though the Beatles were a worldwide phenom, I always thought of them as a "US" band, rather than a Brit band, since the fans here seemed more rabid. Oasis on the other hand, seemed to hit bigger in the UK.

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Who's being polled? 20-to-35-year-olds?

Also, the fact that the Beatles have so many great albums splits the vote in an album poll. Oasis really only have their first two.


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there goes sketch again, always trying to refute these cold hard facts. this poll reminds me of other stupid polls though, like, "if the 1930's Yankees played the 1990s Yankees, who would win?"

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there goes sketch again, always trying to refute these cold hard facts. this poll reminds me of other stupid polls though, like, "if the 1930's Yankees played the 1990s Yankees, who would win?"


true, although I think that there was a good point in it about the fact that newer albums tend to get more votes on things.

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Who's being polled? 20-to-35-year-olds?


Well it was organised by a website...

People can only vote for what they have heard. Not everyone buys 100's of albums a year or spends all day surfing the net for MP3's and message board reccommendations. In fact virtually no one does that apart from complete saddo no lives like us. So bare that in mind before you slag it off as being a really crappy list.

Also 'Definately Maybe' is a better album than at least 50% of music critics would pick as their number one.

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Well, given that both of these Oasis albums are 10+ years old now, I would no longer consider them "newer". People my age (31) who loved Britpop will love those first two Oasis records forever.


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Sketch Wrote:
the fact that the Beatles have so many great albums splits the vote in an album poll. Oasis really only have their first two.


or Oasis have none depending on your perspective.

You're trying to hard to explain this. this is an NME organized poll so the results shouldn't be that surprising. It just reflects their taste or their reader's taste.

I haven't seen the list but I'm guessing you'd have to try to use the same argument to explain why Artic Monkeys placed higher than The Who or most every Stones album. maybe just chalk it up instead to age, naivete and generally bad taste.

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Not everyone buys 100's of albums a year or spends all day surfing the net for MP3's and message board reccommendations. In fact virtually no one does that apart from complete saddo no lives like us. So bare that in mind before you slag it off as being a really crappy list.


you do realize we're criticizing them for putting oasis at #1 and not for never hearing johnny taint and the cans of piss right? I hardly think you need to surf the net for mp3's all day to get exposed to the stones and the who and the beatles.

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Not everyone buys 100's of albums a year or spends all day surfing the net for MP3's and message board reccommendations. In fact virtually no one does that apart from complete saddo no lives like us. So bare that in mind before you slag it off as being a really crappy list.


you do realize we're criticizing them for putting oasis at #1 and not for never hearing johnny taint and the cans of piss right? I hardly think you need to surf the net for mp3's all day to get exposed to the stones and the who and the beatles.


You're showing your age Billy. To an 18 year old, The Who, The Stones and The Beatles are obscure bands way back in the mists of time. Where exactly is an 18 year old going to hear The Who? On the radio? Nope. On TV? Nope. From their older brothers or even parents? Probably not.

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I'll take Definitely Maybe over Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band any day of the week. It's not because I'm 32 either, I just could never see what the ballyhoo was about that particular Beatles album.

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Sometimes I find myself in this position where I believe people should be influenced or revere certain bands. Bands that, to me, form a crux for a certain style, or musical movement, and cannot for the life of me decide why people are not into them. How did I get into them? Do I genuinely like them because of the music, or because I SHOULD like them? Am I afraid of being a pariah if I form any dislike towards these bands?

I think popular musical tastes are fluid. I think we've argued lists before, and mostly I think they are just fun to debate. Perhaps it was you, Konstantinl who made the comment on another one, as to if we were going to debate lists and criticize them, shouldn't Mozart, Bach, Robert Johnson, etc be on lists at the top over Beatles, etc?

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To an 18 year old, The Who, The Stones and The Beatles are obscure bands way back in the mists of time. Where exactly is an 18 year old going to hear The Who? On the radio? Nope. On TV? Nope. From their older brothers or even parents? Probably not.


From their older slampiece :shock:

Come on, are you really saying the average 18 year old doesn't know the stones and the who and the beatles. I just don't believe that.

Besides, who said it was only 18 year olds filling out this poll. I'd be surprised if that were true.

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Oh, sorry, I glanced at this and thought it was about Oasis topping themselves. :roll:

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As mentioned, I think this poll (like most polls) can only be interpreted as answering the question "For the 40,000 people who can be bothered to know, read and/or care about NME and have the time and inclination to respond to our poll, the album that was most frequently cited as being 'the best album' (yes as ambiguous as we can ask it, that) was..."


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To an 18 year old, The Who, The Stones and The Beatles are obscure bands way back in the mists of time. Where exactly is an 18 year old going to hear The Who? On the radio? Nope. On TV? Nope. From their older brothers or even parents? Probably not.


Well, I'm 21 and I first heard the Who and the Stones on the radio and from my parents.

And even I feel an overexposure of the Beatles and I don't listen to classic rock radio. In fact, I go out of my way to avoid having to listen to the Beatles.


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i so don't care about stuff like this anymore.
i'm getting very comfortable back here in the mists of time.


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Who's being polled? 20-to-35-year-olds?


Also 'Definately Maybe' is a better album than at least 50% of music critics would pick as their number one.


correct.


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Also, the fact that the Beatles have so many great albums splits the vote in an album poll. Oasis really only have their first two.


yeah, the first 2 were the best, after that, the others were just whatever. even noel confirmed that the 3rd album was bs. he was too drugged up to care after that.

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Who's being polled? 20-to-35-year-olds?


Also 'Definately Maybe' is a better album than at least 50% of music critics would pick as their number one.


correct.


That's a pretty bold statement...problem with most lists is that they generally always pull fromthe same albums as #1...Exile, Revolver, Pet Sounds, London Calling, Blonde on Blonde, Sergeant Peppers being the most common choices.

Is Definately Maybe really better than half of those in your opinion?...and which ones?

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I don't know what NME's readership is, but even Oasis is pretty obscure now for young american listeners. They haven't been relevant here for years and haven't charted anything this millenium.
Sgt. Peppers wouldn't be my top album, but it would rate alot higher than any Oasis album. I'd put three Radiohead albums on my list before I'd have an Oasis album.


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billy g Wrote:
Dalen Wrote:
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Who's being polled? 20-to-35-year-olds?


Also 'Definately Maybe' is a better album than at least 50% of music critics would pick as their number one.


correct.


That's a pretty bold statement...problem with most lists is that they generally always pull fromthe same albums as #1...Exile, Revolver, Pet Sounds, London Calling, Blonde on Blonde, Sergeant Peppers being the most common choices.

Is Definately Maybe really better than half of those in your opinion?...and which ones?


IMO, Definitely Maybe is better than Exile and London Calling from the list you posted. I might get flack for it, but fuck it. Definitely Maybe means more to me than those 2 records, and I am a fan of both Exile and LC.

Half, I guess not.


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They haven't been relevant here for years and haven't charted anything this millenium.


define relevant?

and the fact that they haven't charted anything in America means nothing. in fact, that might be a plus.


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I'd say relevance in the states according to me is getting press/media attention and garnering some sort of year end accolade or award. I think relevance also implies there is some sort of hype about your impending record release.
The only thing I have read or heard lately about Oasis, is the comparison of the Arctic Monkeys to them. Whenever they release a b-side album here or a proper release, most of their press is "Oasis releases and album, did you even know they were still going" type crap.
I'd agree that not charting in america is probably a good thing. Since this about Oasis, who once said they were bigger than the Beatles, I think charting and album sales in the states is important to their relevance.

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They haven't been relevant here for years and haven't charted anything this millenium.


define relevant?

and the fact that they haven't charted anything in America means nothing. in fact, that might be a plus.


As if the Brit charts are better?


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I don't think anybody in the UK over 15 years old reads NME. I would bet a substantial amount of these people who voted were not brits.


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