Begging the question, what the hell kind of security does British Airways have these days? They apparently found him passed out in the bathroom with syringe next to him.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD98MM9PG2



So, those that thought his solo album needed more drug influence.....REJOICE!

At some point in time they should just let his ass rot in prison or give him a hot dose.

maybe it was insulin shock

Disappointing on so many levels; first and foremost how banal his solo album was after much anticipation. This disappointment is now further burdened with the knowledge that this boring music was now likely composed while on drugs and not sober, further suggests that heroin really does only provide the muse for a certain limited temporal window and we can now look forward to some truly terrible music from Pete.

Muse, shmooze, it's drugs and addiction. Artists become addicted, truck drivers become addicted, priests, poets, criminals, accountants, and housewives.

Let me just say that shooting up on a plane isn't done because it's fun to get high.

I am grateful today I don't have to get loaded any more.

On the flip side, I wouldn't guess it would be categorized as "boring" either.

I don't think you'd disagree though that certain drugs are going stimulate the limbic system and in some creative individuals, this is going to fuel the process, inspire the construction of art. Now in some the limbic system is already labile enough that drugs aren't even required, it's already flying high. But sometimes, drugs will work in the favour of greatness and I think it via synergy has fueled the creation of fantastic works. But there is a time window and when the receptors and exhausted and the drugs take over, well, then the whole process is over.

Troof.

Security?

It's not like they search every passenger.

You can take anything on a plane as long as it doesn't make the metal detector go beep.

Neither is pancreatic cancer nor Buchenwald. DumpJack: this topic is of huge interest to me, and think there may be a romanticizing the love affair between limbic systems and art. I think about this more than is healthy... I am just an addict who no longer uses, but still an addict. The window of opportunity exists independent of the chemical stimuli to the neurotransmission of poetry, song, form and color. What if Rimbaud had written better without the absinthe and hasish? I have been Verlaine to brilliant Rimbauds, and I have seen the corrosive impact of the Romantic Excuse up close and personal. Or maybe I've just turned into an old fart.

But wouldn't you agree that a quantum consciousness shift occurs after the initial flirtation with mind altering substances, and that shift leads to the self-awareness/other side/ whatever-you-care-to-call-it that gooses many a great artist? Continued use is generally pointless, but that first bout of WOW really does a lot of good to certain types.


(on a fringely related note: I've always liked Terrence McKenna's theory that the missing link in human evolution was psilocybin mushrooms, which allowed our species to develop the self-awareness necessary for that next step.)

but you'd think Pete Doherty would get searched, eh?

mother fuckin smacks on a plane

Yeah, he and any other recognizable actor/musician with a history of drug abuse and gun possession charges should be on a list for cavity searches. I wonder if one of those body scanner machines would have caught this.

Yeah, can only agree with what you've said, but a certain precision is needed in thinking about the "Shift".... sloppy essentialist thinking makes the goose cover-up assfuck (to extend the metaphor).

And if I go the McKenna route, I must simply take myself out of the argument, having lost, so to speak, the privilege. Apparently Ram Dass, even after a stroke (!) dropped once a year just to "check in" according to his words.

The mushroom clearly, clearly was the apple from the tree of the knowlege of good and evil... vegetable properties that invoked a self-consciousness that made our nakedness apparent, we starting thinking ABOUT ourselves and left paradise. I lived this so intensely one afternoon in 1983 in a sunny backyard in the Echo Park hills just west of downtown LA.

I can get behind this, maybe not to the extreme of Terrence McKenna, but hallucinogens helped me tremendously in my personal growth. Having said that, they're not for everyone and some people become self-aware by other means and some NEVER do.


Getting back to the thread, IMO, Pete Doherty is just a waste. And why are people still paying attention after he helped make one good record with the Libertines?

i lolr'd

I never have forgiven Pete Doherty for not making a whole album that sounds like What a Waster.

If he was wearing a turban.

damnit Pete.

how are any of you even remotely surprised at this?

has he actually been sober since 2004 or whatever? Is there any documentation of this other than his camp saying "he's doing really well"? Just because he goes to a monastery doesn't mean he isn't blasting that shit between his toes. I mean, monks are hardly the most qualified interventionists.

i'm not surprised at this, but i am always hopeful for the guy.

The question is how Rimbaud would have written better? I don't know if the sober mind is really going to simply come up with it, even after pondering the question for many years.

I think the stimulation can't be minimized. I'm not saying that's the source of all creativity, but that endogenous stimulation (via meditation or more extremely, complex partial epilepsy) or exogenous stimulation via drugs truly will fuel it. There's a significant relationship between feelings of oneness or cosmic consciousness, religiousity and creativity; the variance is mainly explained by limbic system activation. A person can sit down and create some art without having their limbic system on overdrive, but I suspect the stuff we notice has been.

who cares if he is shooting up on a plane? i say let him. who is he hurting?