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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:50 pm 
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Self explanatory.

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I agree. He's making an ass of himself but.....

Think about it, Pete Rose would be in the Hall today if he hadnt signed the Dowd report. His denials and later admission mean nothing. McGwire is practicing the fine art of self preservation.

And looking like a tool.

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I don't care if he says nothing. Just don't say "LETS LOOK AT THE POSITIVES!"

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I don't care if he says nothing. Just don't say "LETS LOOK AT THE POSITIVES!"


yeah they got him trained like a myna bird, eh?

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I don't care if he says nothing. Just don't say "LETS LOOK AT THE POSITIVES!"


I haven't been following this, what are the positives that he mentions?

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He hasn't.

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Wait a minute, he talks this "Positives" bullshit, yet never denies roids? Christ.

I also think it's funny that Palmeiro said "steroids" not "performance enhancing substances", since those blue diamond-shaped pills are probably a "performance enhancing substances".

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har har har.

evs, i'd probably be as guarded as sosa has been, but nowhere near as arrogant as mcgwire with this "let's be positive" schtick.

ahhhh schilling. i love what he does for the team and his pitching, but goodness...brevity man! ever heard of it?

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these guys are really pretty idiotic. mcgwire is the worst - just parrots what everyone else says.

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Curtis Enis Wrote:
I don't care if he says nothing. Just don't say "LETS LOOK AT THE POSITIVES!"


Such as the blood test results?


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these guys are really pretty idiotic. mcgwire is the worst - just parrots what everyone else says.


Let's remember that none of them are there by choice...

And that none of them are well known because of their public speaking skills...

In defense of McGuire, he's the only person sticking to his guns. Sammy and Raffy came out and said, "we never took roids", so we should be looking positively on their awkwardly phrased missives while looking down on McGuire for not doing that?

McGuire went into this thing with the mindset that you would love any ballplayer to have: I will not "rat out" any former teammates, and I will not discuss my knowledge of anyone (by name) in baseball having ever taken 'roids. I mean, he was a teammate of Canseco's and Giambi's, both of whom have admitted their performance enhancing ways.

It would be pretty hypocritical to say, "Hey, I never did roids, but I'm not telling you whether or not I know of anyone else who did". That's the coward's way out. I'm sure Mark McGuire knew it was going to look fishy to not give a flat-out denial, but decided that being a good teammate comes first...If that makes him a tool to some of you, so be it, but I think it was (in some skewed way) admirable...

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What? I just meant he was a tool for his constant push to be the new lead singer of Good Clean Fun. He's just making excuses, he's not sticking to his guns.

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I'm watching this now. This is retarded.

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distinguished senator, i am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo high.

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distinguished senator, i am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo high.


Best thing - out of the 6 current-and-former MLB players, Canceco had to have/be kept in his own seperate room during breaks in the proceedings...

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distinguished senator, i am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo high.


Best thing - out of the 6 current-and-former MLB players, Canceco had to have/be kept in his own seperate room during breaks in the proceedings...


I'm with Bloor, I wanted to see a fine scuffle. Possibly on the fucking floor of this meeting room. Some kind of massive "You SON OF A BITCH! I'LL RIP YOUR EYES AND PISS IN YOUR DEAD SKULL" type billy action.

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You gotta love this- long, but great reading, I thought.

From today's SF Chronicle. Kinda puts things into perspective, donut?

Steroids? Alcohol is real problem
Joan Ryan

Thursday, March 17, 2005

Congressman Tom Davis claims straight out that steroids are a public health crisis. That is why he and his colleagues on the House Government Reform Committee have gone to the trouble of summoning some of the biggest stars in baseball to Capitol Hill to testify today. It's about -- all together now -- protecting our children.

OK. Let's say the motive for this steroids hearing is, in fact, about protecting America's kids from the harmful influence of sports leagues that care only about boosting ticket sales and TV ratings. Then I imagine we can expect a big ballyhooed hearing soon on the substance that is most glorified by sports leagues and kills more kids every year than every other drug combined.

Alcohol.

No single industry promotes the consumption of alcohol among teenagers as much as college and professional sports.

Nebraska Republican Rep. Tom Osborne knows a bit about college and professional sports. He played for the 49ers, then coached the University of Nebraska football team for 36 years. He says that during all those years on the Nebraska campus, he dealt with only three students who abused steroids -- and thousands who abused alcohol.

"Probably 85 to 90 percent of the negative incidents on campus, whether dealing with players or other students, were in some way related to alcohol,'' Osborne said by phone from Washington, D.C. "About 70,000 sexual assaults each year are related to alcohol, and 500,000 injuries.

"We have justifiable anxiety over 1,500 (American) deaths in Iraq of a two-year period, but alcohol kills 1,400 college students annually.''

That, said Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., of the House Government Reform Committee, is a public health crisis.

This is why, as his colleagues delve into baseball's secret little underworld of serums and syringes, Osborne will be elsewhere. He'll be calling upon the National Collegiate Athletic Association to ban alcohol commercials from all radio and TV broadcasts of the "March Madness'' NCCA basketball tournament, which starts today.

"Colleges and universities continue to take money from beer companies whose ads glamorize drinking and target a youthful audience,'' Osborne said. "They're sending very mixed messages to their students, because every college president will tell you that the No. 1 problem on their campus is alcohol.''

The 1,400 college students who die each year from alcohol-related injuries translates to three or four students every single day. Try to find any reputable research that says steroids has killed a single child. There isn't any. Several suicides have been linked to steroid use, but as tragic as they are, they do not constitute a public health crisis. The numbers of kids using steroids in the U.S. barely registers on the scale of teen drug use. In a 1999 study by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, 2.7 percent of 8th- and 10th-graders and 2.9 percent of 12th-graders had taken steroids.

By contrast, 80 percent of high school seniors have used alcohol; 32 percent say they had been drunk in the last month. About 3 million teens are said to be alcoholics.

Baseball's unwillingness to acknowledge its role in glamorizing steroids, however unintentional that promotion might be, is nothing compared to its unwillingness to acknowledge its role -- and the entire sporting world's role -- in glamorizing alcohol.

Nearly 1,000 alcohol commercials aired in 2002 during the telecasts of the Super Bowl, the World Series, college football bowl games and the National Football League's Monday Night Football broadcasts, according to the Center on Alcohol Marketing and Youth. College sports games showed 4,747 commercials for alcohol in 2003.

Every time a kid tunes in to a March Madness game the next two weeks, he or she will see an average of four advertisements of attractive young people having a great time drinking. By year's end, this one kid will see about 245 such ads. Indeed, teenagers see more ads for alcoholic drinks than for fruit juices and fruit-flavored drinks. When researchers from Teenage Research Unlimited in 2002 asked teens to choose their favorite commercials, more named commercials for Budweiser than for any other brand, including Pepsi and Nike.

But it's not only television commercials that associate sports with alcohol. Kids see enormous Bud ads on scoreboards at stadiums. They see Coors as the official name of the Colorado Rockies ballpark. Down the road from Capitol Hill, they see promotions for Smirnoff Ice and Captain Morgan's Gold products in the Washington Redskins' stadium and on television during Redskins broadcasts. They see Crown Royal as the official sponsor of auto racing's International Race of Champions. The list goes on.

The money and power the alcohol industry wield are enormous, something Osborne has learned first-hand. In 2003, when a landmark National Academy of Sciences report to Congress concluded that underage drinking costs the United States $52 billion a year, he co-sponsored a bill that would have funded new efforts to prevent kids from drinking. The bill failed even to reach the House floor, thanks to vigorous lobbying against it.

The National Beer Wholesalers Association is the fifth-highest spender of all political action committees in Washington. (Its director is a close friend of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay.) The alcohol industry spent $10,164,916 last year in Washington to promote its products.

Last month, Osborne and his co-sponsors reintroduced the "STOP Underage Drinking'' bill. It is fairly tepid, frankly, falling far short of calling for a ban on alcohol advertising from sports telecasts that children are likely to be watching. But its passage is as unlikely today as it was last year and the year before.

"You're swimming upstream,'' Osborne said of fighting Big Alcohol.

Even the House Government Reform Committee concedes that no legislation will come out of today's steroids hearing. Steroids are already illegal without a prescription. Baseball already is moving, however slowly, toward a stricter drug policy. What, then, is the point of Congress devoting an entire workday and hauling in baseball stars and executives?

A hearing about sports and alcohol would mean a parade of parents and experts testifying about drunken driving accidents, violence, rape, unsafe sex, suicide, educational failures and crime. It would mean a photo exhibit of the 1,400 college students lost last year to alcohol. Such powerful testimony surely would put pressure on Congress to do something about it.

And that is why the hearing today is about steroids.

Joan Ryan's column runs Thursday and Sunday. E-mail her at joanryan@sfchronicle.com.

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I didn't read that but alcohol is awesome.

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i though Schilling came off looking great.
i'm not sure what problem someone could have with the way he acted.

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I didn't read that but alcohol is awesome.


Yes it is. But that doesn't change the article's stats. 1400 students die each year from alcohol-related incidents and more than 70,000 known alcohol-related sexual assaults.

It's a problem that needs more than acknowledgement. It needs serious addressment.

Like maybe cars made out of rubber, fourth-floor windows that don't open and mace in every sorority girl's belt buckle.

Or some kind of ray you can shoot at frat boys that makes them reallize they have tiny dicks and no one likes them and sends them off into a spiral of hermetical shame.

And residential life staff who actually have a clue.


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Big Mac came across sooooo guilty....

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