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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:49 pm 
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Fade-Out: New Rock Is Passé on Radio
By JEFF LEEDS

Major radio companies are abandoning rock music so quickly lately that sometimes their own employees don't know it.

Troy Hanson, the program director of WZTA in Miami, said that he first learned that his station's owner, Clear Channel Communications, had ditched the rock format - and his staff - when he tuned to the station one morning in February and heard talk-radio. His rock domain, known as Zeta, had vanished. "We didn't even get to play 'It's the End of the World as We Know It,' " the R.E.M. anthem, as a sign off, he said.

In the last four months, radio executives have switched the formats of four modern-rock, or alternative, stations in big media markets, including WHFS in Washington-Baltimore area, WPLY in Philadelphia and the year-old KRQI in Seattle. Earlier this month WXRK in New York discarded most newer songs in favor of a playlist laden with rock stars from the 80's and 90's.

Music executives say the lack of true stars today is partly the reason. Since rap-rock acts like Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit retreated from the scene, none of the heralded bands from recent rock movements, be it garage-rock (the Strokes, the Vines) or emo (Dashboard Confessional, Thursday), connected with radio listeners or CD buyers the way their predecessors did.

This sudden exit of so many marquee stations has not only renewed the perennial debate about the relative health of rock as a musical genre, but it also indicates that the alternative format, once the darling of radio a decade ago, is now taking perhaps the heaviest fire in the radio industry's battle to retain listeners in the face of Internet and satellite radio competition. Many rock stations may be in for another blow when the shock jock Howard Stern departs for Sirius Satellite Radio next year.

There are still signs that a fervent alternative scene survives. This weekend, for instance, 50,000 people a day are expected to visit Indio, Calif., for the sixth-annual Coachella Valley Music Festival, the biggest rock event of its kind in the United States, to cheer bands like the Arcade Fire and the Secret Machines. Moreover, while alternative programmers are searching for a solution, for the moment they have the benefit of new music by a clutch of reliable stars from the genre's heyday: Nine Inch Nails, Weezer and Beck are releasing their first albums in two years or more, and songs by each rocketed to the top of Billboard magazine's modern-rock airplay chart.

But many musicians in the newer bands on the alternative playlists "could be your waiter tomorrow night and you wouldn't know the difference," griped a radio promotion executive at one major label, who requested anonymity for fear of offending bands on his label.

Ratings for rock radio stations have been languishing for years. The share of the 18-to-34 age group that is tuning in to alternative stations has shrunk by more than 20 percent in the last five years, according to Arbitron, while stations playing rap and R&B or Spanish-language formats have enjoyed an expanding audience.

As a result, many rock programmers aren't sure what to play.

"The format in the last couple of years has gone through an identity crisis," said Kevin Weatherly, program director of KROQ, a closely watched alternative powerhouse in Los Angeles. "You have stations that are too cool, that move too quickly and are only playing the coolest music, which doesn't at the end of the day attract enough of the audience. Or you have the other extreme, dumb rock, red-state rock that the cool kids just flat out aren't into."

Such scrambling to strike a balance has cost many alternative programmers large chunks of audience. Some radio executives said that they made a fateful choice in the last few years to jettison the pop-rock side of their genre to concentrate on heavier-sounding bands, and now are afraid to turn back. As part of that shift, many stations also decided to eliminate women from their audience research. These stations decided to aim at men almost exclusively because of the heavier sound. "You got yourself into a corner that you can't get out of," said Tom Calderone, senior vice president for music and talent at MTV, and a former radio programmer and consultant. "When you listen to alternative stations do their 90's flashback weekends, you can hear something as meaningful as Stone Temple Pilots and Soundgarden to something as silly and quirky as Harvey Danger and Presidents of the United States of America. When you become 65-75 percent guys, you're leaving a huge audience on the table."

At WZTA in Miami, the decision in 2003 to remove women from the equation "was definitely when we started to see Zeta's attrition," Mr. Hanson said. Days after Clear Channel took Zeta off the air, a rival company, Cox Radio, flipped the format of one of its Miami-area stations to rock.

Mr. Hanson also suggested that land-based radio had been too slow to respond to satellite radio, which offers access to dozens of commercial-free music channels for a monthly subscription fee and to digital music players, like Apple Computer's iPod. He said that he balked when a supervisor suggested running an on-air contest to give away an iPod loaded with 949 songs. (Zeta's frequency was 94.9-FM.) "I was like, 'Then they don't need to listen to Zeta anymore.' " Mr. Hanson wound up forgoing the contest.

"The people that are leading-edge technology consumers are not being embraced by terrestrial radio," said Jim McGuinn, who was program director of WPLY in Philadelphia, known as Y100, before its corporate parent, Radio One, flipped the station to rap and R&B in February. "The outsider image disappeared," Mr. McGuinn said.

Mr. McGuinn and a handful of other former WPLY employees have started an Internet radio station, y100rocks.com, to play music they say the terrestrial version had been missing, including songs by Interpol, Moby and Queens of the Stone Age.

But for now, Philadelphia has no terrestrial alternative-rock station.

Some analysts fear that, when radio stations switch from alternative rock to programming aimed at older listeners, they may be making a sacrifice. "Radio has ceded the younger demographic to other media," said Fred Jacobs, president of Jacobs Media, a radio consulting company in Southfield, Mich., specializing in rock. "I just don't know how we're going to get back people who didn't get into the radio habit in their teens," he said, adding, "It really becomes problematic down the road."


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:15 pm 
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Maybe the problem is people with good musical taste (and those who buy lots of music) have stopped listening to the radio altogether. I can't imagine why they'd do that...

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I just can't believe how long it took for these stations to die. I feel like rock radio has sucked since the mid/late 90s (or at least that's when I realized it).


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:41 pm 
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"We didn't even get to play 'It's the End of the World as We Know It,' " the R.E.M. anthem, as a sign off, he said.



Kind of says it all, don't it. Given such a dearth of creativity, no wonder it atrophied.


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Thank goodness for college radio.


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I don't find this surprising at all.

I'm probably one of the only people on this board who has to listen to the radio on a regular basis. I spend a good deal of my time driving a government car with no CD player or tape deck. I need an iPod, I know.

One of the more interesting formats I've seen arise is the play anything station. In KC they've got a station (JackFM I think) that does get a bit of diversity. No Interpol but they do make somewhat of an attempt to avoid playing the same crap over and over.

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One of the more interesting formats I've seen arise is the play anything station. In KC they've got a station (JackFM I think) that does get a bit of diversity. No Interpol but they do make somewhat of an attempt to avoid playing the same crap over and over.


That format is sweeping the nation...the iPod has radio's panties in a big ol' bunch, & "Jack" stations are the latest attempt at stopping the bleeding.


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I'm curious. How many people on here actually listen to the radio these days?

Not only don't I have the time, but I'd be taking away from the little time I have from listening to the good music I already own.


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I haven't willingly listened to rock or any radio besides college-based since the mid-90s, so this doesn't really bother me. Now either kids will be hip-hop and Hot AC lovers, or they'll actually do some leg work to find good music like most of us have our entire lives.

Yeah, my iPod is my radio on road trips. Set that thing on shuffle and go. I'm about to get in a car for 8 hours on a drive to Richmond, VA. Wish me luck.


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OPA! Wrote:
I'm curious. How many people on here actually listen to the radio these days?

Not only don't I have the time, but I'd be taking away from the little time I have from listening to the good music I already own.


In my free time, the only radio I listen to is for Royals games & the classical station in the car.


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radio was a huge part of my middle school/high school days before the advent of mp3s. of course, my favorite station at the time (fm106.3 "modern rock at the jersey shore") has since become a pop music trashfest, but them's the breaks, i guess.

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In my free time, the only radio I listen to is for Royals games & the classical station in the car.


Whoa! a Royals fan. Wouldn't consider myself one cause STL has always had me. Big ups and much respect to you. But watch out for too much pine tar.

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I listen to radio most of the day at work......but mostly it is KEXP and NPR.....so it isn't like I'm listening to commercial radio

By the way, JACK FM and the like are a joke - if you wanted to listen to songs that random then your average person can just hit random on their MP3 player and avoid all of the commercials.

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i listen to the radio for a bit almost every day.
i get bored with cds and want to here new stuff so i listen to kexp or mount holyoke college radio.


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I'm just a clueless schmuck in Northern Maine, but I'd hazard a guess the "death of rock format" silliness stems from rock programmers insisting on calling nu-metal and pop-punk "alternative" or "modern" while pretending the vast array of bands and styles that college radio continues to play never existed.

If you spend so much effort trying to convince lovers of musical diversity that System Of A Down are "alternative" you're going to lose on all fronts because people who actually do love alternative won't listen to the fake and repetitive format and mainstream audiences wind up thinking alternative is just a bunch of angry Durst assholes howling annoying songs.


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I'm just a clueless schmuck in Northern Maine, but I'd hazard a guess the "death of rock format" silliness stems from rock programmers insisting on calling nu-metal and pop-punk "alternative" or "modern" while pretending the vast array of bands and styles that college radio continues to play never existed.

If you spend so much effort trying to convince lovers of musical diversity that System Of A Down are "alternative" you're going to lose on all fronts because people who actually do love alternative won't listen to the fake and repetitive format and mainstream audiences wind up thinking alternative is just a bunch of angry Durst assholes howling annoying songs.



Ding ding...we have a winner. "Alternative" rock radio died when it started playing all the "Active" rock artists. And I say the Genesis of this was letting Metallica play Lollapalooza years ago.


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For the first time in 10+ years I might actually listen to the radio (KEXP) more than my personal music collection.


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