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Another stellar Iron Mike Tyson press conference quote.

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Kevin McBride barely had a chance to utter what seems to be the only phrase he knows when Mike Tyson told him how it was going to be.

This wasn't the new charming Mike Tyson. In fact, it sounded suspiciously like the Iron Mike of old.
"I'm going to gut you like a fish," Tyson told McBride.

Those were fighting words, and Tyson will have a chance to back them up when launches the latest comeback of his turbulent career Saturday night at the MCI Center against the unheralded Irish heavyweight.

Tyson hasn't shown in recent years he can fight like he used to. But for a few moments at Wednesday's final pre-fight press conference he sure sounded like he did in the days he was terrorizing the heavyweight division.

Of course, it's easy to sound tough when the opponent is McBride, the so-called Clones Colossus who seemed afraid to even be at the press conference, much less in the ring against Tyson.

"I'm a contender, not a pretender," McBride kept repeating, as if to convince himself that he does have a chance against Tyson in the scheduled 10-round fight.

A lot of fighters have a chance with the 38-year-old Tyson these days, as Danny Williams found out when he stopped Tyson in their fight last July in Louisville. McBride, who has been going to a hypnotist to get himself ready for the fight, doesn't appear to be one of them, however.

McBride got the fight because he was willing to work cheap - $150,000 to the $5 million Tyson will make - and because Tyson's handlers figure he'll be easy to hit and go down a lot easier than Williams did in his aborted comeback fight.

At the press conference at Howard University, McBride was virtually ignored until the end by a town enjoying its lovefest with Tyson.

Even the member of the Washington, D.C., boxing commission sitting on the dais, Arnold McKnight, had to tell Tyson that he loved him.

"I love you too, brother," Tyson replied.

McBride might have something to worry about since the same commission appoints the referee and judges for the fight, but few think the judges will have much to do with the outcome anyway. McBride may be big but he's slow and easy to hit, and has never beaten a heavyweight of any consequence.

About the only good thing anybody can say about McBride is that he's 6-foot-5, 275 pounds and holds the Irish heavyweight championship.

"A tomato can," is how Tyson described him.

While McBride may not be much, Tyson hasn't exactly looked like the baddest man on the planet lately, either.

He's been stopped in two of his last three fights, and once again has to be packaged as a reborn fighter who has rededicated himself to his craft to make people believe. He's got a new trainer in Jeff Fenech, says he has stopped smoking marijuana and wants to be the heavyweight champion once again.

"I'll go back and take what the people owe me," Tyson said.

Tyson was at his amiable best for most of the press conference, posing for pictures, making jokes, hugging the promoter and clapping for all speakers. He even applauded his ex-wife, Monica, who is now serving as a business manager of sort and will get $750,000 herself from the fight as part of Tyson's bankruptcy reorganization plan.

Tyson is making a $5 million purse, but he owes nearly $40 million to various creditors and will likely see only about $250,000 or so after he gets done making payments under a court ordered bankruptcy reorganization plan.

Tyson is in desperate need of a win, both to resolve his financial problems and to keep his career going. His purses are already shrinking from what they used to be, and a loss to another unheralded fighter would likely spell the end of his career.

Though Tyson has been in tough times lately both in and out of the ring, he still remains as probably the biggest draw in boxing. Washington promoter Marty Wynn said some 13,000 of the 17,300 tickets for the fight have been sold and said he expected to near a sellout by fight time.

Wynn said he had options for Tyson's next two fights, with one scheduled for November assuming Tyson wins.

"People call this a circus and some reporters call it a fiasco," Tyson said. "But you have to understand that these people aren't here because I'm a circus. They're here because I'm an icon, an international star."

McBride apparently thought so as well, saying that it had always been his dream to fight Tyson and now his dream was coming true. That dream actually could have come true last year when McBride was offered the fight at similar money but his manager turned it down because it wasn't enough.

"When the Tyson fight came up this time I grabbed it with all my hands," McBride said.

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Kevin McBride is no Peter McNeeley.

One of my favorite quotes of all time was when McNeeley (who fought Tyson in '94 or '95) told Tyson "I'm going to wrap you in a coccoon of horror!!!"


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At this point Peter McNichol could take Tyson, let alone McNeeley


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i remember that mcneeley fight. it was surreal--after getting all pumped up he just walked half way across the ring got hit once and went down like a sack of potatos.

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i remember that mcneeley fight. it was surreal--after getting all pumped up he just walked half way across the ring got hit once and went down like a sack of potatos.

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McBride knocked the fucking CAREER out of Tyson!!!

Did anybody see it?


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McBride knocked the fucking CAREER out of Tyson!!!

Did anybody see it?


yes, unfortunately.

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When you can't even win road rage fights what chance do you have in the ring?

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Old Kentucky Wrote:
McBride knocked the fucking CAREER out of Tyson!!!

Did anybody see it?


I didn't see anything landed by McBride from outside, period. A handful of short uppercuts befroe he tied Tyson up, which happened incessantly. A shamefully poor fight. Thankfully, Tyson can disappear back into thugdom now. At least he used to be a bad-ass thug.


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Man, Tyson was tiny compared to what he used to be.


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Man, Tyson was tiny compared to what he used to be.


no, the other guy is 6'6", 270.



and i don't think mcbride won the fight as much as tyson quit.

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shiv Wrote:
Phil Spoon Wrote:
Man, Tyson was tiny compared to what he used to be.


no, the other guy is 6'6", 270.



and i don't think mcbride won the fight as much as tyson quit.


Oh. Yeah I guess he was kinda huge. Well not just kinda.


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Phil Spoon Wrote:
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Man, Tyson was tiny compared to what he used to be.


no, the other guy is 6'6", 270.



and i don't think mcbride won the fight as much as tyson quit.


Oh. Yeah I guess he was kinda huge. Well not just kinda.


Yeah, Tyson and Holyfield were the last of the generation of heavyweights who don't look like NFL Defensive Ends. Lennox Lewis pretty much proved that you could still be a technical fighter in a giants body and the sport had to adjust accordingly.

Tyson was never actually that big of a dude. Not that it mattered at one point but it definitely has become a weakness in his bid to prolong his career; unlike Foreman.

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This is no revelatory statement, but Cus D'Amato dying in '86(?) was the absolute worse thing that could have happened to Tyson.

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This is no revelatory statement, but Cus D'Amato dying in '86(?) was the absolute worse thing that could have happened to Tyson.

Steve

Yes and yes Steve-O.

Hey Steve, do you think that Tyson is totally one of the most over-rated fighters of all time?

I know how old you are and that you are from NYC so I figure that you are a fan. But man, what a waste, right?

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
DunwoodyDude Wrote:
This is no revelatory statement, but Cus D'Amato dying in '86(?) was the absolute worse thing that could have happened to Tyson.

Steve

Yes and yes Steve-O.

Hey Steve, do you think that Tyson is totally one of the most over-rated fighters of all time?

I know how old you are and that you are from NYC so I figure that you are a fan. But man, what a waste, right?

Yeah, I'll definitely admit to buying into much of the hype surrounding Tyson early on.

What I know now, that I didn't know then, is that before you start bringing up a fighter's name as being one of the best ever, you've got to look beyond his record, knockouts etc. The great fighters are that ones that get knocked on their ass and then come back.

Tyson was awesome when things were going his way, but he proved to be a quitter with no heart when faced with any adversity in the ring. Again, no revelatory statement.

I'm not sure what he would/could have become had Cus lived, but he did have amazing physical talent.

Anyway, I've always like Smokin' Joe!


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What I know now, that I didn't know then, is that before you start bringing up a fighter's name as being one of the best ever, you've got to look beyond his record, knockouts etc. The great fighters are that ones that get knocked on their ass and then come back.


This is why IMHO Lennox Lewis is one of the great heavyweights of all time. He had a couple of embarrasing moments but he came back and beat everyone that beat him.

And that first Lewis/Holyfield fight that ended in a tie was such a sham. Listen, I'm a Holyfield fan from way back but he only won 2 rounds of that fight.

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
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What I know now, that I didn't know then, is that before you start bringing up a fighter's name as being one of the best ever, you've got to look beyond his record, knockouts etc. The great fighters are that ones that get knocked on their ass and then come back.


This is why IMHO Lennox Lewis is one of the great heavyweights of all time. He had a couple of embarrasing moments but he came back and beat everyone that beat him.

And that first Lewis/Holyfield fight that ended in a tie was such a sham. Listen, I'm a Holyfield fan from way back but he only won 2 rounds of that fight.


He didn't look too good in his last fight against Klitschko. I don't think he was all that great. He was kind of boring and used his size against smaller opponents well (i.e. leaning on them). I think he's probably in the 2nd tier of great heavyweights, well below Ali, Louis, Marciano and Frazier.

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Man, Tyson was tiny compared to what he used to be.

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He didn't look too good in his last fight against Klitschko. I don't think he was all that great. He was kind of boring and used his size against smaller opponents well (i.e. leaning on them). I think he's probably in the 2nd tier of great heavyweights, well below Ali, Louis, Marciano and Frazier.


I respect your opinion Shiv because I am pretty sure that you are a guy that actually watches fights;

Ok, that was the nice part. Lennox Lewis would have stomped Ali at a similiar age. Dude, you are actually old enough to remember Larry Holmes being too embarassed to KILL Ali, and Ali actually having Trevor Burbick beat what was left of the living shit out of him on national TV.Think about it.
Surre, I will respectfully agree that Lennox was never an exciting fighter. But, he beat up and actually punished every guy they put in front of him. Kinda like Larry Holmes----Hey, they didnt choose their eras, they just did their jobs.

Joe Frazierwas as brave a fighter to ever come down the pike but his head was never into it on the whole boxing "game" thing (cutting promos, having some longevity for the money, etc.

And wouldn't you love to see Jou Louis or Jack Johnson fight Ali or Frazier or Foreman or Holyfield or Lewis?

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
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What I know now, that I didn't know then, is that before you start bringing up a fighter's name as being one of the best ever, you've got to look beyond his record, knockouts etc. The great fighters are that ones that get knocked on their ass and then come back.


This is why IMHO Lennox Lewis is one of the great heavyweights of all time. He had a couple of embarrasing moments but he came back and beat everyone that beat him.

As did Ali-Frazier, Norton, Spinks. C'mon, Chris, don't hold Holmes and Burbick against Ali. He shouldn't have even been in the ring. A younger Ali tears them apart

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As did Ali-Frazier, Norton, Spinks. C'mon, Chris, don't hold Holmes and Burbick against Ali. He shouldn't have even been in the ring. A younger Ali tears them apart

Steve


You are more than right man. Ali should not have been in the ring in those fights. But the bottom line is that he was. It is a goddamn shame that Mohammad Ali missed what may have been the peak years of his career protesting a war that he didnt believe in------I support that he did that, but I can't judge someone's career on potential. I mean, Ted Williams spent some of his peak years in a bomber in WWII; and then some more in Korea----factor that in and he has more Homeruns than Henry Aaron; Mike Tyson spent some of his peak years in prison; actually I think that his time in prison was part of the three headed monster that destroyed Tyson (as you mentioned earlier, the death of Cuss, prison, and #3-Don King)

All that being said, Lennox Lewis never had those distractions so I guess he was lucky in that respect. But not unlike Larry Holmes, all Lennox did was beat everybody that they put in front of him; And unlike guys like Ali and Holyfield, Lewis (wisely) didnt stick around lon enough to become a tomato can. (and yeah, he was behind on points in the Klitscho fight but also consider that Lewis had dude's eye hanging out of his head; Lewis won that fight,,,,,


There isnt an old timers day for boxers Steve; and fighters imho have to be judged on the totality of their careers.

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He didn't look too good in his last fight against Klitschko. I don't think he was all that great. He was kind of boring and used his size against smaller opponents well (i.e. leaning on them). I think he's probably in the 2nd tier of great heavyweights, well below Ali, Louis, Marciano and Frazier.


I respect your opinion Shiv because I am pretty sure that you are a guy that actually watches fights;

Ok, that was the nice part. Lennox Lewis would have stomped Ali at a similiar age. Dude, you are actually old enough to remember Larry Holmes being too embarassed to KILL Ali, and Ali actually having Trevor Burbick beat what was left of the living shit out of him on national TV.Think about it.
Surre, I will respectfully agree that Lennox was never an exciting fighter. But, he beat up and actually punished every guy they put in front of him. Kinda like Larry Holmes----Hey, they didnt choose their eras, they just did their jobs.

Joe Frazierwas as brave a fighter to ever come down the pike but his head was never into it on the whole boxing "game" thing (cutting promos, having some longevity for the money, etc.

And wouldn't you love to see Jou Louis or Jack Johnson fight Ali or Frazier or Foreman or Holyfield or Lewis?


And how much out of it was Ali when he fought Holmes and Burbick? I don't get why you brought those up? Holmes and Burbick would've never stood a chance against the Ali in his prime and it's generally acknowledged that those fights are pretty laughable. And I don't think anyone would label any of Lewis' fights as classic fights ala Ali-Frazier or Ali-Foreman.

And say what you will about Tyson, but during his years under D'Amato there wasn't a more exciting fighter.

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