it's a joke. should have put a winky.

i hadn't heard of the smiths in high school. also, your joke is exactly the point fu and gar are trying to make seriously, so take my response as directed at them if you'd rather.

that doesn't matter. you're projecting high school haq into this argument.

I could careless. Just pointing out that I'm joking.

not really - that's actually more credit than i would give high school haq.

I think it would be no worse than the kids who are now in their early 20's that frequently listened to Radiohead in high school, or the kids nowadays that are listening to Bright Eyes or Emo.
I always thought listening to depressing music was a way to have a cathartic release without killing yourself. I now wish I would have listened to more stuff that was college radio cool in the 80's and early 90's while I was in high school more than commercial alternative and metal.

doubt it.

No, I understand. I like some depressing stuff. It was just a joke. Like the music is so bad that it will push someone over the edge.

ok, point made, i'm the asshole.

My point here is like it usually is around here: quit being a bitch and come on!

And listening to horrible music will, in fact make your life worse. And will only embarass you in retrospect.

I didn't say that.

I'm really not trying to argue here and I don't make assumptions about people based on their internet rep. In fact I don't know why I've gone this far. I really was just having fun with a band I dislike.

The cause of, and solution to, most of Obner's problems.

this thread rules.

I thought it was a joke, but then broke the cardinal rule of internet message boards too seriously. I should have just avoided responding.

I do it all the time too. I should have used a winky as it clears up the confusion.

yeah but winkies are fucking queer.

I have yet to use one, based on this simple-yet-true observation. I like this guy though:

Intolerant asshole.

one argument i didn't get involved with

smiths are good. that's all.

I don't think I've ever listed to the Smiths because I was depressed. Especially not Louder Than Bombs.

And I listened to "angry music" like Korn and various generic punk groups when I was, like, 13 and 14. By the time I was in grade 11, I'd grown out of that.

Wow, this picked up after I left.

There are some blatently miserable songs about isolation that kids who are feeling down would probably like to throw on, I guess. I maintain that the music is too upbeat and fun to be truly depressing. I would think they'd be listening to stuff that's a bit more stark, like Joy Division et al, if they were really miserable.

Another teddibly overrate piece of garbage, crapped forth by the subjects of her majesty's crown.

I think this is all another reason to hate that whore Maggie Thatcher

Come on now, Aaron. You are one of about six or eight people on this board smart enough to see that this is so weighted by hyperbole it can't get its fat ass off the couch.

I'm not saying what someone should or shouldn't listen to, and it's by no means a hard line I'm taking. I'm just saying that good or bad, The Smiths isn't real palatable fare for a vast majority of high school students. And for Ms. Six, I know you can't lump all high school students into one group, but that doesn't mean that generalizations have no value.

I love Warren Zevon, but I didn't get into him until college. If I had heard him in high school, it's likely I would've passed him over. It's not high school music. Hell, I hated Bob Dylan in high school.

There's reasons for this. No matter how adult you think you are at 17, you still have a lot of growing and learning to do. You are immature and naive. I was far from a dumb high school student, but I didn't appreciate things in the same ways that I did even a few years later. Lots of bands I love now I didn't find until after high school, and lots of bands I loved in high school only thrive during bouts of nostalgia these days—looking at you Pearl Jam.

As for wallowing in sad sack shit in high school, get over it. Keep in mind, this is a generalization, not a personal attack on anyone's extraordinary gloom for whatever reason. But in high school, you have a unique opportunity to leap without looking, and it's unlikely you'll break your neck. High school is a good time to go out and try things and fail miserably, get into some trouble just to see what happens and how to get out of it while you have a safety net.

You're still a kid at that point in time, go raise what little hell you can. It's not telling someone what they should do, it's telling someone to go out there and live life, rather than sulking in your bedroom about how horrible life is. That whole "carpe diem" thing.

Unless you're from an abusive home. Then it's pretty hard to figure out how to seize the carp when you're just 15 or 16.

Hard to believe there'd be an exception to Fu's generalization.