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In the middle of the 3rd album, I'm surprised how twangy some of it is. Damn Beatles.


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just went and bought the first 3 albums.

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I Saw Her Standing There
Right off the bat, this remaster is slaying me. This is one of those songs that I'd heard throughout my early life, mostly this version but often in versions by lesser bands taking the piss (the Tubes) or by older artists grasping futilely at hip (variety show hacks*). It's a song that sound to me like it's always existed, for at least as long as single cell organisms, and up until this reissue I'm not even sure if I knew it was written by Lennon/McCartney or thought it was a Chuck Berry song.

In other words, a PERFECT song to start these remasters with. This is like hearing it for the first time. I can actually hear the separation of instruments. And because of that, if I squint, I can also hear the pill-popping, badass kuchenfarters that rocked the Kaiserkeller mit der zingen und der geetarstrummen. It's somewhat neutered and cleaned up by the studio, but there's a rhythm machine at work here. Paul pumps, Ringo smacks, John chugs, and even George's solo is more rhythm than flash. There's a distinct touch of gravel in Paul's vocal, and the scream before the guitar solo clinches it. Bedrock.

Misery
I gotta run to catch up. This sounds like an apology or reassurance to all the parents out there for skirting the danger zone on the previous track. Cute and hairless and slight. The harmonies carry it.

Anna
Nice cover of an Arthur Alexander tune, and another one seemingly aimed at an older crowd. John's voice is in fine form.

Boys
Huh, I'd only previously heard the Tammy St. John version of this song (it's on my "Don't Call Me Honey" mix, if you haven't heard it). Tammy's version is better. It feels weird and vaguely homoerotic to switch genders like this but, hey, it's Ringo. Chances are good that Ringo really did like to talk about boys. Great harmony vox declaring the possible meaning of life in the line "bop shoo wop bop bop shoo wop". Paul's bass is absolutely hyperactive.

Please Please Me
Oh shit, a neck-snapping upgrade. Love that chopping rhythm guitar - never heard that before. Ditto the layers of harmonies. This really ties together the band's reach for palatable singles with their background as a hardass club band. Pretty amazing.

Love Me Do
And this is all about grasping for palatable singles. Hooks all over the fugger, but toothless and sweet and simple. Still, those John and Paul vocals work a particular magic.


Baby It's You
Damn, this is good. And John knows it. I can hear those vocal chords start to shred.

Do You Want To Know A Secret
Threatens to pick up at the bridge. Doesn't. More formula.


Twist And Shout
This comes as no surprise, but it must've come as an electric shock in '63. No more Mister Nice Guy. Lennon's voice is so raw, so urgent, that all the disc's previous reassurance to the parents of the nations' teen girls was immediately tossed out the window. Under the matching suits, these testicles had hair on 'em. The remastering on this is excellent.


Overall - There's too much energy on this album to deny them. They're young, brash, and true rock'n' roll believers. This overcomes some middling covers that they probably could have filled with their own material instead.

I Saw Here Standing There & Please Please Me

I love songs that suggest sex but are not explicit. It's much more subversive that way. Please Please Me remind me of the Everly Brothers but with more hooks. Also, Harrison has a pretty sweet guitar lick, which is kind of a twist on call and response with John's "c'mons." These are two of my favorite songs from the Beatles early period.

Misery is one of the weaker songs ever written by the Beatles, and is fairly forgetable.

Anna and Boys are great covers. John nails the vocals on Anna, and makes it one of the better covers. And I sort of disagree with you on Boys. The gender bending is kind of shocking for the early 60s, and it turns a fairly harmless song into something pretty dirty. And the rythmn section plays along to the dirty feel of it.

Love Me Do is saved by an absolutely fantastic harmonica. I guess this is a hold over from the Beatles days as a skiffle group. W/o the harmonica, the song is pretty uninteresting. W/ the harmonica it's both catchy and something in line w/ their caveran days as you alluded to.

Baby It's You - You pretty much nailed it. John is really on fire vocally and this songs seems like it's HIS song not a cover. When I think of this song, I think of John not the Shirelles. When he hits the notes "Can't help myself...", I swear I'm listening to Ben E. King.

Do You Want to Know a Secret - I love this song. Even though I feel like it's really representative of the worst side of Macca. Later, he'll annoy the shit out of me with similar ballads like this. But there's something naive to this that let's it work for me.

Twist and Shout - I really believe this is the greatest vocal performance in the history of rock'n'roll. It sounds so wild and raw that to me it will always be dangerous, and there's nothing Matthew Broderick can do about it. It's down right Jerry Lee in its confidence and sexuality. Ringo's drumming also really adds a punch to John's vocals. Not sure anyone has ever improved on the formula for this song.

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So I'm not planning on doing song by song reviews here, but the highlights for me were:

- I Saw Her Standing There - rough 'n' tumble 'n' sexy Beatles
- Anna
- Please Please Me
- Baby It's You - I am such a sucker for this kind of stuff, and they did this cover well
- Do You Want to Know a Secret - a guilty pleasure for sure, I can't help but do that "doo dah doo" in the background
- Twist and Shout- you must be a moron if you don't like this song

Lowlights

- Misery
- Chains - this sounds nothing like the Beatles to me
- Ask Me Why
- Love Me Do
- A Taste of Honey

The rest of the songs, I suppose I could go either way with. They weren't particularly remarkable.

Not really related, but I recently caught an episode of "Spectacle with Elvis Costello" where Bono and the Edge were guests. Bono referred to U2 as a bit of a "gang." And really that's an apt description, because when a band coalesces and it really WORKS (like it does on this album), yeah... they're a gang. And you can tell they all are on the same page and all have the same goal. And it sounds like they're having fun and have NO IDEA what the future holds.

Overall: 8/10


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Highlights for me were:

- Do You Want to Know a Secret - a guilty pleasure for sure, I can't help but do that "doo dah doo" in the background


I can't get the doo dah doo out of my head. It's killing me.

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- Love Me Do


I'm actually surprised at the number of people today who considered this to be a lesser tune. I thought everyone liked 'Love Me Do'.

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it's my brains default Beatles song whenever i think about "early Beatles"

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I'm a little late to the party... had a busy day.

I Saw Her Standing There

Most of the early Beatles stuff is ruined for me by the awful covers done over the years, and overexposure on oldies radio, so I rarely listen to it. Like some others, this is my first time listening to Please Please Me in its entirety. I have to say it starts out lively enough. My mom calls this teeny bopper music, and while it's cheesy, I like the jump it has.

Misery

The piano in this is cool, but it seems like an afterthought. I would like it to be more prominent thought the whole song.

Anna

This is some Paul Anka shit right here. Not feeling it.

Chains

I know this record is full of innuendo, so is this a bondage reference? Why is there a bit of harmonica at the start, but nowhere else in the song? I feel cheated.

Boys

They're not really singing about boys, are they? I'll let this pass because it was such a rushed session and they needed material.

Ask Me Why

They lost me at "Woo Woo Woo Woo". Good lord.

Please Please Me

I like everything about this song. It has a hook that makes a great single, and the harmonica delivers. Hallelujah!

Love Me Do

Harmonica can't save this song. Pure schmaltz.

P.S. I Love You

There's something about the vocals that grabs me, but there's really nothing special here. Pick it up, Beatles!

Baby It's You

Was this written for someone in particular? It sounds really personal. I bet the chicks melted hard over this song. Does nothing for me though.

Do You Want To Know A Secret

Love the opening, and then if falls right off a cliff.

A Taste Of Honey

See "Do You Want To Know A Secret"

There's A Place

The hook is pretty solid, and (at the risk of being repetitive) the harmonica fits in well. Glad to see they're getting back on track towards the end.

Twist And Shout

You just have to air drum the end of this song, don't you? Great finish.

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Fun reading in this thread.

Please, Please Me is great with a couple rough spots for sure, but With the Beatles is dynamic and solid.

I also like looking at how their cover art changed from album to album, and this is an interesting one. Stark b/w by Astrid Kircher, she's an interesting character in beatles lore. Leaves Klaus Voorman (who does the revolver collage, and plays bass for Nilsson) for Stu Sutcliffe who stays behind in Germany leaving the bass spot open for McCartney who wants it. Yet Stu dies of a brain hemmorhage at age 22. Wild.

I can only imagine that they had to fight to get that cover art used, at least a little bit when looking at other concurrent cover art.

Of other note, even that sappy cover of Til There Was You by Meredith Wilson from the Music Man is worth it for the deceptively hard classical (nylon) guitar solo. Watch George's hands in the Hard Day's Night dvd, and check out the acrobatics.

Strong indication that they're listening to alot of motown based on the covers. What white artists even dared to cover motown at the time? That shit's hard!

Some might deride them for trying, some might say it's white people stealing black music, but i think it's just a case of young music fans playing music they love.

Love love love both of these first two albums, but With The Beatles feels much more even to me. Love the echoes in "It Won't Be Long", what a great way to kick off the album.

All right, gotta go grade finals. Looking forward to this thread tomorrow.

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while we're in the early days...

let's not forget charles newby, temp bassist in dec. of '60, replacing sutcliffe, who performed three shows then continued our proud newby tradition of placing real life on a tier just above the music one.

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I know I've heard With the Beatles before but I'll be damned if I remember some of these songs, particularly the opening 'It Won't Be Long' and 'Don't Bother Me'. The latter is excellent, Ol' George hits high on the first time out.

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there's also something to be said for the creative immediacy of two full length albums released in a single year

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I chuckled when I read the liner notes: "With the Beatles took longer to make (18th July - 23rd October) than the previous album Please Please Me but, even so, it's fourteen songs were recorded in just 28 hours over six days."

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amazing, when you think most bands spend longer on their shitty demos these days

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I know I've heard With the Beatles before but I'll be damned if I remember some of these songs, particularly the opening 'It Won't Be Long' and 'Don't Bother Me'. The latter is excellent, Ol' George hits high on the first time out.

Don't Bother Me was my first revelation from the box set. The vocals have a spooky reverb quality and the song is the first to really approach darker subjects. The whole side 1 is amazing save for till there was you. That song is so lame, and the first glimpse of Macca. John's vocals throughout are some of the most passionate I've ever heard on wax. The vocals completely transform Mr. Postman.

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amazing, when you think most bands spend longer on their shitty demos these days

It's also amazing when you think that Dylan's studio time for all of his 60s and 70s output is less than the time the Beatles spent on Sgt. Peppers.

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Ok I gotta do these now by blackberry or not at all.

"It Won't Be Long"

Fucking great way to open an album, and this stereo mix is nuts. I am loving the guitar tone. Catchy song that I'd forgotten about. I hit repeat 3 fucking times on this track. Really good pop craft and a memorable ending. Best part: all of it. Sorry but it's just so great and cohesive. Helps that I haven't OD'ed on it.

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"All I've Got To Do"

That first one was a tough act to follow, but this one barely tries. Nothing awful, but the slow tempo and wierd drum stops don't really do it for me. Serviceable.

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"All My Loving"

Try to forget how many hundred times you've heard it, and it's kinda magical. Here we get those fast triplets as the main guitar rhythm somehow, Paul's bass scale walks scooting things along (And Then While I'm Away), great harmonies, and an electric guitar solo. This is another top shelf effort. Favorite part: that descending bass scale. Fucking hooks me every time, and the song wouldn't be the same without it for me.

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"Don't Bother Me"

Kinda jarring. This reeks of 60's in a bad, dated way. This could've been playing in that club scene in Austin Powers. The syncopated rhythm, the latin percussion, and lyrics that don't suck anyone in... Dud.

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"Little Me"

A diversion, but there are things to like here. Vocals double up on C'mon C'mon C'mooon nicely, and the cutesy affectation they do in harmony on I'm So Sad And Loooonely sounds like them having fun with lightweight material to me. I don't skip it.

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"Till There Was You"

Yeah yeah I know, what were they thinking? But it is pretty at least, and there's deceptively good playing and vox here. This one goes out to all the spinster aunties out there...

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"Please Mister Postman"

John was the right choice for this one. Nothing wrong with it but I do skip it. Guitars are too jangly, not enough smooth goin on here.

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