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Ziggy is Ziggy, and was Bowie's career statement. Haven't listened to it in quite a while, but this one and maybe 2 more that are still coming up are all the Bowie I need.


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Aladdin Sane today? Yes? No?


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Ziggy Stardust wrote the blueprint for David Bowie's hard-rocking glam, and Aladdin Sane essentially follows the pattern, for both better and worse. A lighter affair than Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane is actually a stranger album than its predecessor, buoyed by bizarre lounge-jazz flourishes from pianist Mick Garson and a handful of winding, vaguely experimental songs. Bowie abandons his futuristic obsessions to concentrate on the detached cool of New York and London hipsters, as on the compressed rockers "Watch That Man," "Cracked Actor," and "The Jean Genie." Bowie follows the hard stuff with the jazzy, dissonant sprawls of "Lady Grinning Soul," "Aladdin Sane," and "Time," all of which manage to be both campy and avant-garde simultaneously, while the sweepingly cinematic "Drive-In Saturday" is a soaring fusion of sci-fi doo wop and melodramatic teenage glam. He lets his paranoia slip through in the clenched rhythms of "Panic in Detroit," as well as on his oddly clueless cover of "Let's Spend the Night Together." For all the pleasures on Aladdin Sane, there's no distinctive sound or theme to make the album cohesive; it's Bowie riding the wake of Ziggy Stardust, which means there's a wealth of classic material here, but not enough focus to make the album itself a classic.


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I think this is a better album than Ziggy Stardust. That could possibly be chalked up to overplay, but I actually think this album has just as many songs that I've heard endlessly and are on the Bowie best-of comp that I have. I just like them more. More than that, I think the deep album cuts here are way better than those on Ziggy. I think I like opener "Watch that Man" even more than "Changes", up to this point the strongest opener on any Bowie album. The trio of "Panic in Detroit", "Cracked Actor", and "Time" is awesome. Even the slower numbers which I'm overly familiar with - and which thus far have not been his strong point - are great: "Drive-In Saturday" and "The Prettiest Star". And of course the sax at the end of the title track is really nice. The weakest track is probably the closer, "Lady Grinning Soul", but only because it's a bit of a comedown after the continuous high of the rest of the album. This is probably my favorite Bowie record so far. Kind of surprising myself here in that I thought that I liked Hunky Dory more than this.

We'll see tomorrow if Diamond Dogs really deserves its label of being a real drop-off in quality after this album. I've always liked it, but I'm pretty sure it isn't this good.


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I think this is a better album than Ziggy Stardust. That could possibly be chalked up to overplay, but I actually think this album has just as many songs that I've heard endlessly and are on the Bowie best-of comp that I have. I just like them more. More than that, I think the deep album cuts here are way better than those on Ziggy. I think I like opener "Watch that Man" even more than "Changes", up to this point the strongest opener on any Bowie album. The trio of "Panic in Detroit", "Cracked Actor", and "Time" is awesome. Even the slower numbers which I'm overly familiar with - and which thus far have not been his strong point - are great: "Drive-In Saturday" and "The Prettiest Star". And of course the sax at the end of the title track is really nice. The weakest track is probably the closer, "Lady Grinning Soul", but only because it's a bit of a comedown after the continuous high of the rest of the album. This is probably my favorite Bowie record so far. Kind of surprising myself here in that I thought that I liked Hunky Dory more than this.

We'll see tomorrow if Diamond Dogs really deserves its label of being a real drop-off in quality after this album. I've always liked it, but I'm pretty sure it isn't this good.


Watch That Man is easily my favorite Bowie song, but I think Ziggy is overall a stronger effort. But, I have not listened to a ton of these as albums. I've maybe played Ziggy all the way through twice. I am fucking JAMMING to it right now in the office getting stuff done.

I've tried to keep up with this thread, but have been just a little busy lately. Gonna snag that 30th Anniv. version of the damn ol Alladin though.

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This is the only Bowie album I really like, and I've been wanting that anniversary edition for a while (so cheers, DJ!). Of course, it wouldn't be a Bowie album if it didn't include his precious cabaret tripe - stuff like "Lady Grinning Soul" and "Time" are impossible to take seriously - and the cover of "Let's Spend The Night Together" is pretty silly; but overall, this is the closest Bowie ever got to rock 'n' roll, which is apparently the one genre he really never understood.


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Pin Ups fits into David Bowie's output roughly where Moondog Matinee (which, strangely enough, appeared the very same month) did into the Band's output, which is to say that it didn't seem to fit in at all. Just as a lot of fans of Levon Helm et al. couldn't figure where a bunch of rock & roll and R&B covers fit alongside their output of original songs, so Bowie's fans -- after enjoying a string of fiercely original LPs going back to 1970's The Man Who Sold the World -- weren't able to make too much out of Pin Ups' new recordings of a brace of '60s British hits. Ziggy Stardust and Aladdin Sane had established Bowie as perhaps the most fiercely original of all England's glam rockers (though Marc Bolan's fans would dispute that to their dying day), so an album of covers didn't make any sense and was especially confusing for American fans -- apart from the Easybeats' "Friday on My Mind" and the Yardbirds' "Shapes of Things," little here was among the biggest hits of their respective artists' careers, and the Who's "I Can't Explain" and "Anyway Anyhow Anywhere" were the only ones whose original versions were easily available or played very often on the radio; everything else was as much a history lesson, for Pink Floyd fans whose knowledge of that band went back no further than Atom Heart Mother, or into Liverpool rock (the Merseys' "Sorrow"), as it was a tour through Bowie's taste in '60s music. The latter was a mixed bag stylistically, opening with the Pretty Things' high-energy Bo Diddley homage "Rosalyn" and segueing directly into a hard, surging rendition of Them's version of Bert Berns' "Here Comes the Night," filled with crunchy guitars; "I Wish You Would" and "Shapes of Things" were both showcases for Bowie's and Mick Ronson's guitars, and "See Emily Play" emphasized the punkish (as opposed to the psychedelic) side of the song. "Sorrow," which benefited from a new saxophone break, was actually a distinct improvement over the original, managing to be edgier and more elegant all at once, and could easily have been a single at the time, and Bowie's slow version of "I Can't Explain" was distinctly different from the Who's original -- in other words, Pin Ups was an artistic statement, of sorts, with some thought behind it, rather than just a quick album of oldies covers to buy some time, as it was often dismissed as being. In the broader context of Bowie's career, Pin Ups was more than an anomaly -- it marked the swan song for the Spiders from Mars and something of an interlude between the first and second phases of his international career; the next, beginning with Diamond Dogs, would be a break from his glam rock phase, going off in new directions. It's not a bad bridge between the two, and it has endured across the decades -- and the CD remasterings since the late '90s have made it worth discovering all over again.

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Going back, I never really got into Alladin Sane as much as Ziggy. I pretty much agree with the review posted that it was basically a sequel with everything just slightly less cohesive and the songs slightly poorer. It's not a bad album and one I'll pull out now and again. But, it's not one of my favorites of his.

Pin-Ups I used to pretty much despise, but I find over the years some of the covers really have grown on me. I get an urge to hear his version of I Can't Explain from time to time.


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Huh, I'd thought that Diamond Dogs was next. I forgot about this album. I don't have it so I'm d/ling it now.


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Man, I've been lagging. But, I guess its best to lag on albums that everyone else is commenting on, and that have been written about ad nauseum.

Some things I found out when researching the record that I did not know:

-Aladdin Sane = "A Lad Insane"
-Much of the album was inspired by Bowie's '72 tour of the US.

This is full of undeniable classics, and much of what has already been said I'll agree with. Its another Bowie record I found essential to own. Its really hard for me to choose which Bowie era I like more: this era or the Thin, White Duke era/Berlin era. I'm leaning more towards the latter because I was getting into Lodger and Station To Station a few months ago.

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Huh, I'd thought that Diamond Dogs was next. I forgot about this album. I don't have it so I'm d/ling it now.


Yeah, when I was looking over the discography at the beginning of this, I had to look what the album art looked like to jog my memory.

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I always liked this little play on the title...

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So I listened to Pin Ups in the car on my way home from work. This was my first time listening to it, and it's the only one of Bowie's '70s albums that I don't own in some physical format. Definitely a pretty weak album, especially given the streak that it followed. I was only familiar with the originals of a handful of these songs (I've heard someone else's version of "Amsterdam" but not the original), and "Sorrow" was the only track from this culled for the best-of comp I had. It's probably the best cut here although I do also like his Who covers and the Kinks cover. The Springsteen cover is alright, too. His version of "See Emily Play" sucks. The rest I don't think I ever need to hear again, but it was certainly worth a listen.


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David Bowie fired the Spiders From Mars shortly after the release of Pin Ups, but he didn't completely leave the Ziggy Stardust persona behind. Diamond Dogs suffers precisely because of this -- he doesn't know how to move forward. Originally conceived as a concept album based on George Orwell's 1984, Diamond Dogs evolved into another one of Bowie's paranoid future nightmares. Throughout the album, there are hints that he's tired with the Ziggy formula, particularly in the disco underpinning of "Candidate" and his cut-and-paste lyrics. However, it's not enough to make Diamond Dogs a step forward, and without Mick Ronson to lead the band, the rockers are too stiff to make an impact. Ironically, the one exception is one of Bowie's very best songs -- the tight, sexy "Rebel Rebel." The song doesn't have much to do with the theme, and the ones he does throw in to further the story usually fall flat. Diamond Dogs isn't a total waste, with "1984," "Candidate," and "Diamond Dogs" all offering some sort of pleasure, but it is the first record since Space Oddity where Bowie's reach exceeds his grasp.


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Aladdin Sane today? Yes? No?


Yep, sorry it's CDN Thanksgiving so I've been sleeping.

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Ziggy Stardust wrote the blueprint for David Bowie's hard-rocking glam, and Aladdin Sane essentially follows the pattern, for both better and worse. A lighter affair than Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane is actually a stranger album than its predecessor, buoyed by bizarre lounge-jazz flourishes from pianist Mick Garson and a handful of winding, vaguely experimental songs. Bowie abandons his futuristic obsessions to concentrate on the detached cool of New York and London hipsters, as on the compressed rockers "Watch That Man," "Cracked Actor," and "The Jean Genie." Bowie follows the hard stuff with the jazzy, dissonant sprawls of "Lady Grinning Soul," "Aladdin Sane," and "Time," all of which manage to be both campy and avant-garde simultaneously, while the sweepingly cinematic "Drive-In Saturday" is a soaring fusion of sci-fi doo wop and melodramatic teenage glam. He lets his paranoia slip through in the clenched rhythms of "Panic in Detroit," as well as on his oddly clueless cover of "Let's Spend the Night Together." For all the pleasures on Aladdin Sane, there's no distinctive sound or theme to make the album cohesive; it's Bowie riding the wake of Ziggy Stardust, which means there's a wealth of classic material here, but not enough focus to make the album itself a classic.


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DJ, thanks for the 30th Anniversary version!!!!


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No problem, fellas. I actually figured some of y'all would have had this already.

I need to play catch-up. I missed playing Pin-Ups yesterday and I've only heard that record once before. Also, it's been forever since I've played Diamond Dogs.

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I've only got the stupid 1999 Virgin versions of everything that I have on CD, and those have no bonus tracks at all. (They also have some pretty crappified album art.) So I appreciate you uploading the deluxe versions as well.


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If Bowie's doing Lou, and Lou's doing Bowie, then Lou's still doing Lou.

And, all things Bowie/Iggy/Lou from this period are the sounds of Heroin and Ass Sex.

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That does sum a lot of it up pretty well.

As for Diamond Dogs, I basically like Rebel Rebel and the title track and find the rest of it pretty crappy, just meandering and directionless. He really is coming down off the high of Ziggy now and it's a good thing he's about to head off in another direction.


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Yeah, "Rebel Rebel", "Diamond Dogs", and "1984" are great, but the rest is pretty dull. This isn't much better than Pin Ups, really. Better than Space Oddity but not as good as The Man Who Sold the World.


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David Bowie had dropped hints during the Diamond Dogs tour that he was moving toward R&B, but the full-blown blue-eyed soul of Young Americans came as a shock. Surrounding himself with first-rate sessionmen, Bowie comes up with a set of songs that approximate the sound of Philly soul and disco, yet remain detached from their inspirations; even at his most passionate, Bowie sounds like a commentator, as if the entire album was a genre exercise. Nevertheless, the distance doesn't hurt the album -- it gives the record its own distinctive flavor, and its plastic, robotic soul helped inform generations of synthetic British soul. What does hurt the record is a lack of strong songwriting. "Young Americans" is a masterpiece, and "Fame" has a beat funky enough that James Brown ripped it off, but only a handful of cuts ("Win," "Fascination," "Somebody up There Likes Me") comes close to matching their quality. As a result, Young Americans is more enjoyable as a stylistic adventure than as a substantive record.


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Bloor and I discussed through texts last night that a lot of this stuff feels like it's giving me something that won't wash off with soap and water. Ive never heard the album, but like the title track of Young Americans - and the clip of Bowie so fucked up on Soul Train that he can't even lip sync.

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Bloor and I discussed through texts last night that a lot of this stuff feels like it's giving me something that won't wash off with soap and water. Ive never heard the album, but like the title track of Young Americans - and the clip of Bowie so fucked up on Soul Train that he can't even lip sync.


I bought this on vinyl recently and it was kind of sticky. That being said I have always kind of liked this one a lot.

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Bowie on Soul Train is fucking classic.

This is one of those albums I always like but seldom pull out for whatever reason. Good excuse to go listen again right now.


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Yeh, Young Americans is the shit, especially played very loud while under the influence of a handful of 714's. Good times.


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