When you volunteer you don't get to pick your battles.

this is true, but o'reilly is a leader of the cindy sheehan must be destroyed camp. for example: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/24.html#a5084

cindy sheehan shouldn't have to lead this fight - but the democratic party all voted for the war so its awfully hard for those pussies to raise much of a stink now. good work.

agreed. i think it's because the media tends to focus on clowns like Sheehan and Moore, that are actually just loud mouths, who in my opinion are simply playing a popularity game.

1) Are the amount of troops lost in Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia comparable to the amount of troops lost in Iraq?
2) Is the financial burden of Iraq comparable to these three situations?
3) Did any of these occupations last as long as Iraq will last?

I didn't like us invading Grenada either, but I'm not sure these analogies really fly.

Actually, we still have troops in the former Yugoslavia; and some casualties.

For the record, I was (and am) completely against our actions in Kosovo and Bosnia; I thought it was a problem for the Europeans, not us.

Edit: clarity

can't we just split up iraq into 3 parts - sunniville, kurdistan, and shiiteburg and call it a day and go invade iran?

I'm as isolationist as they come, truth be told.

who would move to shiiteburg? Let's call it otisburg instead.

I'm all for our involvement in places like Bosnia, Kosovo, and Somalia. When there is some immediate crisis like those, or, say Rwanda, where we believe military action can help, we absolutely should get involved.

Iraq is not comparable to those situations. Something had to be done and soon, but who now would say that we really did the right thing the right way?

I agree, except for the part about Iran. Fuck invading Iran; The Iranian people are our friends; I actually think they should have nukes.

If we want to invade someone, let's invade the Syrians. They stink.

we could just call it New New Jersey.

but what about the Bush doctrine - the administration will be consistent in its application, right?

I think you're misdirecting your energy. Cindy Sheehan is just a poor mother who went sideways over her son's death. If you're going to be anti- anything, try anti- media who keep reporting a distraught mother's every utterance as if it was a well-researched political treatise.

I agree. As a superpower I believe that we (and whoever else wants to lend a hand) have an obligation to lend a hand in dire situations similar to Kosovo, Somalia, and Bosnia.

Iraq has just turned into a complete disaster. We pulled a Lenny. We tried to do the right thing we just F'd it all up.

"Tell me about the rabbits again George"

I cannot hate the people who brought me "Hotties in Hurricanes'" all weekend.

Radcliffe has good points there about Sheehan.

Some of us aren't all that Obner-hippie, really. We're just pissed off about idealogical machinations being portrayed as necessitated duty.

I was all for engaging Bin Laden & Co in Afghanistan.
Not so big about the other, made-up war next door, though.

that Anderson Cooper sure has a purty mouth

Fuck the Bush doctrine; this is the Bloor doctrine.

I actually supported going into Iraq initially but not for the bullshit WMD or "involvement in 911" that they ran out....It was/is insulting.

I supported going in because I thought Saddam had cashed his check.He just fucked around for too long and needed to be taken out.

My second reason is a little more abstract and probably none too popular because everyone seems to have some sort of hangup on this "Blood for Oil" thing but.....
To wit: We get a lot of our oil from Saudi Arabia. 17 of 19 911 highjackers were Saudi. The Saudis are not our friends no matter what they say. Securing a huge source of oil in Iraq is not a problem for me.

I'd love to envision a future where we arent dependant on oil, but that is the future and if we dont get it then someone else (China) will.

Of course, we've made some HUGE mistakes in executing this thing.

Edit: typos typos; talking on phone and typing no good

A far more honest if rather blunt reasoning.

Its like Milosevic (sp?) or some of these other 18th rate bums----sometimes you just gotta go.

problem with that is - are we the best ones to make that decsion? maybe, maybe not.

This could be the source of horrible night terrors.

The "Sad-em you fucked off long nuff and need takin' out" argument might not have gotten the UN vote at the time.

I kind of feel bad for the woman.... being pimped out by the left when she's clearly a loon. Last week when she called for removal of the military and feds from occupied Iraq AND New Orleans was particularly wacko.