the second amendment.

pinkeyedwink · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:19 pm

do they make guns that only temporarily paralyze/sedate instead of kill? if so i'd get something like that before i ever got a gun

Sketch · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:26 pm

Well said, Steve. Do gun laws save lives? Probably.

Do gun laws make people any less violent overall? I don't believe so; it just changes the effect/severity of the violence. Murder goes down; assaults go up. The people who would have died are now stuck in hospitals with medical bills they might not be able to afford. Unless the gun law changes have a cultural ripple-effect (changes in media programming, et al.), I don't think the country becomes any safer.

Cotton · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:12 pm **Posts:** 17155

hey, guns keep the drive-by sack beating rate down 99-8%!

Dusty Chalk · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:33 pm

pinkeyedwink Wrote:

do they make guns that only temporarily paralyze/sedate instead of kill? if so i'd get something like that before i ever got a gun

Yeah, they're called 'tasers'.

pinkeyedwink · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:35 pm

Quote:

Yeah, they're called 'tasers'.

Yeah, but those don't 'shoot'.

Dusty Chalk · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:36 pm

Sketch Wrote:

I don't have a gun. I don't ever plan to use a gun. I don't think the presence of guns are the problem, nor do I believe gun laws are an effective long-term answer. People will find other ways to kill each other if they want to badly enough, and I'd rather focus on where those wants come from.

By this, do you mean personally, or as a society? Because as far as the law goes, you're not really allowed to predetermine whether or not someone is going to perform a crime, they have to actually commit one, before you can do anything about it legally.

I agree that we should voluntarily find out where these urges come from, but unfortunately, I'm not sure you can force people to take pills, just because you think they're going to kill someone.

That opens up a whole ball of worms which is completely unconstitutional.

mutty · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:38 pm

pinkeyedwink Wrote:

Quote:

Yeah, they're called 'tasers'.

Yeah, but those don't 'shoot'.

Yes they do. They have a range of about 15-20 feet, I think.

A Northern Soul · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:23 pm **Posts:** 3742

in russia, people kill guns!!!

tentoze · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:43 pm

Cotton Wrote:

Borg166 Wrote:

In general, we should euthanize old people

I'm not a big gun freak, but I've been around them all my life. And, the euthanization squad will need to get around this to get through my door:

-edit- sheesh, pic won't load. .44 magnum

tentoze · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:45 pm

Max Wrote:

pinkeyedwink Wrote:

Quote:

Yeah, they're called 'tasers'.

Yeah, but those don't 'shoot'.

Yes they do. They have a range of about 15-20 feet, I think.

That's right. But people die from being tagged with them, also.

Sketch · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:46 pm

Dusty Chalk Wrote:

Sketch Wrote:

I don't have a gun. I don't ever plan to use a gun. I don't think the presence of guns are the problem, nor do I believe gun laws are an effective long-term answer. People will find other ways to kill each other if they want to badly enough, and I'd rather focus on where those wants come from.

By this, do you mean personally, or as a society? Because as far as the law goes, you're not really allowed to predetermine whether or not someone is going to perform a crime, they have to actually commit one, before you can do anything about it legally.

I agree that we should voluntarily find out where these urges come from, but unfortunately, I'm not sure you can force people to take pills, just because you think they're going to kill someone.

That opens up a whole ball of worms which is completely unconstitutional.

I agree. I'm not talking about using laws to change behavior at all. I'm talking about making cultural changes to allow people whatever means are necessary to handle violent impulses without hurting anybody else. But the masses are the ones who have to make the choice do go that direction. Peace is an internal choice and is never going to result from somebody else telling you what you can and can't do.

Dusty Chalk · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:46 pm

Well, other options are:

shotguns loaded with rock salt or birdseed (hurts...stings...bleed, but not kill)
rubber bullets

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:48 pm

Dusty Chalk Wrote:

Well, other options are:

shotguns loaded with rock salt or birdseed (hurts...stings...bleed, but not kill)
rubber bullets

Fuck, you really don't even need bullets. Most burglars/rapists/criminals of all types instintively know the trouble that follows the racking of a 20 gauge.

Dunwoody Dude · **Joined:** Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:20 am **Posts:** 2869

Yeah, or record a bunch of rottweilers/dobermans barking and play it if you hear somebody coming on in.

Steve

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:54 pm

Cotton Wrote:

Senator LooGAR's #9 Dream Wrote:

In Florida, as I understand the law, you only have to THINK your life is in jeopardy to start bucking and blasting. It is a more liberal interpretation of law than law enforcement gets, and I know the dude sponsoring the law here.

they just changes the laws recently to this, but now it's extended to cover being in your car and, in some cases, on the street. It is the most retarded policy ever and they should have fun with that.

Senator LooGAR's #9 Dream Wrote:

BUT, I know the NE Liberals on this board will disagree, that is why they are better than us po suthun' folk, and we should listen to them

I don't know if that stands for North East or New England, but I'm all for it. Shotguns and rifles should be all over the place. I just don't see the need for pistols (other than for cops/bail bondsmen/etc...) because they're fucking useless. I absolutely DO NOT think we should have machine guns and sniper rifles available for purchase by the common man. If I'm not trusted enough to smoke pot, I certainly should be trusted with the fucking killmonger 5000 armor-piercing life-fucker. I think that shit is ridiculous. But yeah, i'm all for the real guns.

That's pretty much how I feel, muchacho.

That being said, yes I have a couple. So dont be tryin it.

HaqDiesel · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:56 pm

As a LooGAR-appointed NE liberal, I'd be ok with outlawing autos & handguns, but not hunting paraphenalia.

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:58 pm

HaqDiesel Wrote:

As a LooGAR-appointed NE liberal, I'd be ok with outlawing autos & handguns, but not hunting paraphenalia.

That's the Indiana in you talkin', boy.

Hate smart, Haq. Good on ya.

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