We'll just have to agree to disagree.

And that aint hatin', thats just factin'.

Not to turn this into a Stooges bit, but I was thinking about this a couple of days ago. Loogs set me up with some Heartbreakers (LAMF) a couple of weeks ago and it's just fucking great, I'm enjoying the hell out of it. Anyway, as I'm listening to this I'm wondering how he can hate The Stooges so much because it's not like they sound like the Grateful Dead or something compared to the Heartbreakers. It's not apples and oranges, it's pretty much apples and apples. Especially Raw Power. I can see how some might get put off by We Will Fall or even Funhouse because that sax can get right in the brain, but overall I don't hear any one factor that would push it over from tiresome sludge into open garbage when compared to some Dolls or Heartbreakers.

Anyway, like you said, I'll agree to disagree with you all on this band.....and Phish too

Tuneless, Artless, put on schtick. Makes me wanna wretch

Fair enough, we hear different stuff on this one then. Of the 'Put On' comment, I can see that on the debut a bit, that's Cale's influence I think. But tuneless and artless are okay by me. Me likey.

Thanks for the Heartbreakers again though. Fucking awesome. I need to hear So Alone sometime.

The debut is the only one I like. I like a couple of tracks off the rest.

Um....

I like Ryan Adams....

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heartbreaker>gold>cold roses>jacksonville>demolition>rock'n'roll>29>love is hell.

(for now. still need to hear 29 more.)

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heartbreaker>faithless street>gold>cold roses>pneumonia>jacksonville>demolition>stranger's almanac>rock'n'roll>29>love is hell>rural free delivery

counting whiskeytown. i haven't heard "the finger" yet.

Clearly you're no fan of rock n' roll

he poasted a new song on his website called "france":
http://ryan-adams.com/

it sounds like rock 'n' roll. hrm.

I listened to this a few weeks ago and it didn't seem like the Cardinals were involved in it (or at least, didn't sound like their other material). Prob should listen again.

Rock N Roll is not a bad thing.... in fact, I'd probably put that album above 29, Love is Hell, and a few others...

The problem with Ryan Adams is that he's a Genius - capital G, pure and simple. He records way too much material and, if he were the type to release something similar every 3 years with nothing else in between, He'd be more slogged over on this board than Radiohead...

Think about how many people have taken Elvis Costello to court for his "bad" records over the years? How may people dismissed Dylan when he found religion? Sure, it might work better for someone like Jim Morrison to burn out than fade away, or for someone like Don Henley to think that slow and steady wins the race...

But I'll take a Ryan Adams record over anything either of the above have put out. His Quant & Qual is light years beyond anyone else out there right now and, whenever he seems to stumble (aka the critical drubbing for Love is Hell/Rock N Roll combined w/a broken wrist forcing him out of the game for a year+), it's a badass like Ryan Adams that keeps crawling back to the top (The double-album majesty of Cold M'F'in Roses and 2 other albums within a year)...

So, um, yeah... If his new song kinda sounds like Interpol, I'm sure there's some kind of Ryan Adams genius behind the whole thing, and I'll be buying it the day it comes out...

wow

Man, I don't think I would throw the G word around Ryan Adams, and I dig nearly all his stuff. I don't think he's managed a Blonde on Blonde or My Aim is True.

And why Interpol now?

The Televisionesque guitars, the occasionally barked vocals. I mean, an ersatz Ryan Adams Interpol, but there are undertones.

I gotcha, but I was mainly thinking that the whole let's ape the dark NY groove of Joy Division et al. is more '02 than '06.

oh... "why interpol now?" not "why interpol, now?"

That's it, those inflections do make a difference in interpretation.

1) Heartbreaker is/was a pretty damned amazing album. Not up there with BoB or Aim, but it's a really good starting point to have... built towards Gold (commercial breakthrough album), Demolisten (Odds N' Sods), Love is Hell (killed-by-radio-company album), Rock N Roll (commercial flameout/fan alienator), hiatus, then Cold Roses (double-album return to form), 29 (highly personal concept album) and Jacksonville City Nights (loose concept album trying to regain the country crowd he lost with RnR). I mean, this guy has an obvious career arc without even bringing Whiskeytown into the equation...

2) Have you looked at the timeframe he's been able to do all of this in? Heartbreaker came out in 2000 - That means that he's released all those albums (7 proper full lengths, 1 of which is a double album, plus Demolition) within 6 years, with him on musical performing/recording hiatus for one of them. Of course it's not all "Golden" material, but to put out that many good songs in such a short amount of time...

To put it into perspective, as far as the "Genius-with-a-G" banter 'round here goes: Wilco's put out 2 albums and a live shot during that timeframe, Radiohead has 3 albums and a live shot, Spoon has 3 albums, The Wrens have released one album (heh)...

Wow. And lolz.

Yeah, time-frame and quality of material is one bench mark. For Elvis Costello and Bob Dylan, at the beginning of their careers, they put out one album a year for roughly 7 years. Those albums, by most standards, are considered classic albums, no real dud in those two sets (the point where they both start to suck a bit varies, I think). While Ryan's output is impressive and at a similar pace to those great artists, I personally don't think it's in the same league, but perhaps history will judge him a bit more fairly (keep in mind I'm a real fan of his as well). Currently I think he often takes a hit, critically speaking, because of his fast release schedule with albums that feel "rushed" and songs that maybe could have been worked a bit more. Again, just an opinion I happen to agree with as well. I think RnR is an example of this.

As for those other bands you mention, no they're not geniuses either.