Um... Though I did mention that, I still find that deal incredibly lopsided, and wouldn't have appproved it anyway...

It was a fucked up lopsided deal and I also voted against it.

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You should be ashamed of yourself to show up here and whine about the majority of teams saying that trade was bullshit. OPA's not th commish anymore Nacho

By the way, I'm open to hearing what Timmy Joe is thinking. Given he's been road kill in every one of our fantasy leagues for at least 5 years and Mendoza knows he's easy pickens, it should be interesting. No way I think he's in collusion for some funny stuff, just wondering how this deal came about... makes no sense.

this was the only thing in the trade I didn't understand. I didn't vote against it, I just questioned timmy about it.

I didn't veto the trade even though I do believe it was lopsided. I also don't believe in vetoing any deal agreed upon two consenting adults. Regardless of Timmy's logic, he agreed on the deal.

But the trade has been officially vetoed so both parties will just have to deal with it and not let this affect their season. It's a long season guys.

I'm just curious where all of you experts were when the Jeff Kent for J. Thompson trade went through. Jeff Kent a third round pick (32 overall) and a top 5 player at his position annually was traded for an undrafted j. Thompson who currently has a low era and 26k's is 33 years old and had 1 decent fantasy season in his 10 year career.

That's the point, Matt. If we start to analyze every deal, you'll realize that a good percentage of them are lopsided. But the commish did give the managers a right to veto and they decided to veto your trade. What are you gonna do? But I would hope that you move on and don't quit the league or try to veto others' trades because of this.

i don't know.....it's frustrating.

i don't see why i shouldn't veto every trade that doesn't seem equal. I would have vetoed the hudson & morneau for Glaus deal and the kent for thompson.

i think i'm just a bit bitter right now and it'll pass. I guess the only way i can improve my team is free agents and waiver wire pick ups.

Project the stats and tell me that it's that lopsided. When Todd Jones gets hurt Rodney will be a top 10 closer as well.

Look, you traded a guy in encarnacion who is hot but projects to .260, 25, 85-90, holliday who is full of promise and could be a 35/110 guy, burgos who is a fill in on the worst team in baseball (not many saves for a 40 win team), and rodney who may or may not be a setup man the rest of the season. IN RETURN YOU GET the second best 3b in the NL and a perrenial MVP candidate and can easily pick up someone to replace the pitching stats. It looks like a lot cause you give up 4 players but im not feeling it.

this trade is worse than both morneau/hudson for glaus and kent for thomson.

i didnt vote to veto but i though you should know how I feel just because you decided to whine about it.

one low level closer who's stuck in a rotation (and on the Royals, no less), one could-be-a-good-closer (if the other guy gets injured for the entire season), a 3B who might end up splitting time because he has no hands (3 Errors in a single game? Twice?), and an outfielder who plays in CO (so he'll probably put up decent home numbers)...

for ManRam and Aramis Ramirez. Plus a drop of Beckett.

You're right - that deal wasn't incredibly lopsided.

from rototimes

projections

Holliday .303, 82 runs, 23 HR, 89 RBI
Encarnacion .270, 66 runs, 21 HR, 76 RBI (admittedly, RBi will probably be higher)
Burgos 2-4, 4.20 ERA, 1.42 WHIP, 8 saves
Rodney 2-4, 3.76 ERA, 1.35 WHIP, 8 saves


Aramis .305, 92 runs, 33 HR, 104 RBI
Manny .312, 110 runs, 42 HR, 133 RBI


Maybe if the closers were established, it would be better.

whoa

If the pitchers were ligit closers I would have been fine with it but Encarnacion is a huge questionmark despite the good start and Holliday is horribly overrated. Look at his splits, he's an all-star in Coors but awful on the road. So he's good for about 50% of the games.

The Ramirez boys are proven studs year after year. I protested and am glad it didn't go through.

like Chris said, there is no rhyme or reason to timmyjoe trades other than the fact a Cincinnati Red will be involved.

the becket thing was a mistake.

I needed some HR's and Saves.

I also need some speed.

Edit: did nacho veto it per my request, or was it by vote?

280 avg 26hr's 100 rbi's 90 runs (at 2nd base)

for

4 era 7 wins 100 k's whip 1.35

the thing is that the second guy's stats can be found on the waiver wire right now.

Maybe you should do his line-ups for him as well. Maybe some tips for the waiver wire.

First off, I can understand being upset, DHRJericho. It sucks to get vetoed. But this trade went way beyond the trades already made.

I didn't protest it, but am glad it didn't go through. I'll echo the comments above about the closers - Burgos is easily worst closer not in Tampa, and Rodney is only 2nd in line. In my mind, this was essentially Manny & Aramis for EE & Holliday, with a handful of saves thrown in as an afterthought.

A case can be made that I got the better end of the Kent for Thomson deal, but Kent is 38 or 39, coming off of wrist surgury, and was hitting below the Mendoza line (under .200) at the time of the trade. Thomson is a solid pitcher on a good team.

Manny had a slow first week or two but has been hitting strongly since. Aramis is slumping, but so is his entire team. Both are in the top-5 at their position, and not really old enough to indicate a huge decline.

at home .294 with 5 hr's 22 rbi's
road .267 with 2 hr's 7 rbi's


A Ramirez doesn't have great splits either (he was quite a bit better on the road last year)