I somewhat disagree. First of all, I think most people would have said the same about Bill Belicheck after the Browns debacle. And that's worked out pretty well for New England. But I think alot of St. Louis's problems were a result of transitioning from the Warner/Faulk era to the Bulger/Jackson era. And I would not allow Martz anywhere near personel decisions.

And this one, especially, is a BLOOD FEUD. I know some of the dudes on both sides and they truly fucking hate each other. 100 years ago, there would be private armies battling in the streets.

He openly abandoned the run with Marshall Faulk and Stephen Jackson as his running backs just to prove that he was smarter than everybody else and in general got a little too cute for me.

I agree with that but it's kind of why I think he should get a second chance cause if he can bring it in a little, it could be dynamite. If I were Arthur Blank, I'd at least have interviewed him to see if being canned humbled him a little.

I would never hire a college coach.

he has pro experience though which I think means something.

Saban did too.

I'm not sure Saban did such a bad job with the Dolphins, did he?

Definitely safe to say if he had picked Drew Brees over Culpepper last offseason they would have been better.

Also, OB: Explain to me why LSU fans are so upset. Saban never got you back to back 10 win seasons; isnt being mad at Saban sort of a slap in the face to the coach who HAS done that for you, Les Miles?

After seeing what happened with Johnson in Miami, Parcells in Dallas, whoever, Holmgren in Seattle, I am pretty damn sure that there are few and far between who deserve "total control." Like Bloor said, it was Saban's decision to go with Culpepper, not his coaching that brought the team down.

Even though Saban left us in the exact same bold face lying manner that he left the Dolphins, there was still the feeling that Saban was always a tiger and a part of the family. He said even said so. So to come back to the SEC West stings. The only worse school he could have come back to is Ole Miss.

We were also beaten down when Saban arrived that we almost had lost hope. LSU is in a rare postion in college football. Almost everyone in LA is a fan. It doesn't matter if you go to Louisiana Tech or ULL. ULL students and fans wear LSU gear to Louisiana Tech games. And we don't have much to be proud of besides football and food so...

And as far as Les goes, the fan base isn't sold because we were in a similar position after Arnsparger left and Mike Archer took over. Two good years and then collapse that we didn't recover from until Saban came. So everyone is nervous that Les is Archer.

LOL, no offense but that makes you people a bunch of suckers--I'm sure Saban also told people in East Lansing that he was a "Spartan for life" before he left them BEFORE A BOWL GAME to take the LSU job.

Also, memo to Don Shula who has been popping off about Saban being some sort of Judas--Pipe down, old man, you hired Saban when he was still under contract with LSU and oh yeah, your son sucked as a coach. Go pack to popping your goddamned champagne and selling mediocre steaks.

Agreed but so much happened during his time here that it felt like a love affair. Also he made these comments about being a Tiger for life recently after being with the Dolphins for almost a year so we sort of bought it. But like I said anywhere but Bama or Ole Miss would have probably been okay.

He had a clause in his contract that he could leave Louisville for any NFL job with no penalty.

Just heard that.

That bastard stole my wide receivers coach.

mike zimmer lol

Good LUCK with all THAT, Petrino!!!

Joey Harrington?

Just saw that. Hell, I don't mind it. He's still a serviceable, if not above average back up.

It's light years from some of the stiffs they were talking about bringing in such as 85 year old Jeff fucking George.

yeah he's not the worst, but he IS joey harrington.

and the annual prank calls to jeff george's agent are always a springtime highlight.

Kind of applies to David Carr, whom the Panthers just signed.

Though I think a lot of people are hoping that Delhomme slips up and Carr can actually become the starter at some point during the season. Would be interesting to see what he can do with a somewhat better o-line. But maybe having a capable backup qb may actually push Delhomme to make good decisions and work for his job.

Carr should have gone to Minnesota.

at least you guys have a (functioning) quarterback