dave, we get it, you're no obamaniac

Schweitzer was great. Hillary said all the right things (her 'were you in this just for me' line was especially fantastic), but I may never be sold that she actually meant most of them. The McCain campaign's 'Hillary-bashing-Obama' ad on CNN right after her speech finished was deplorable and brilliant all in one stroke.

Why does everyone assume Hillary would be up more on John McCain? She ran a mediocre campaign and LOST to Barack Obama. I'm not sure why every keeps acting like something was stolen from her. Also, nothing unites republicans like a Clinton. If she was the nominee, it'd be one hell of a shitstorm dirty campaign on both sides, and would be very close I think.

Obama is going to win, and he is going to be a great president.

i didn't hear the speech, but saw this stat, fwiw. . .

Like most people, I am curious as to what "Hope" and "Change" really mean.

I also really like Mark Warner and his proven record of get it done centrism.

you say that pretending like you haven't heard substantive explanations of his policy plans. it's a rallying cry, no more hallow than any other.

I saw it, and that's about right. Hillary annoys me beyond belief, and while her speech was inspired at certain points, I still felt like it was the "Hillary show" and not cheerleading for Barack.

I loved the speech by Kucinich, fucker was able to bring it. Shame he's such a no hoper.

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Course, I get the feeling he's doing just fine as it is.

I didn't hear the speech, but I have an opinion about Hillary that will determine what I think about things I haven't seen.

Ah, America (and I suppose humans in general)... understandings formed then replicated based upon selective memory and predetermined judgements.

Clinton's speech was the best of her career and did exactly what it was suppose to do...

1. Re-connect her supporters to the ideas that attracted them to her in the first place, and remind them that these ideas are now best carried forward by Obama not McCain.

2. Make a clear statement about the historical nature of her candidacy in a context of feminist history and goals.

That she didn't make incredible statements about Obama made it more effective (see objective #1 above).

But the meme about her marches on voraciously in those who hate her... and proves why Obama could never choose her as VP.

Warner's speech was pretty much a yawner, and was much more useful to convince voters in VA that he should be senator than do anything for Obama or the party. He was an effective governor. For those who have sentimental belief in something called "the center" he is hero, to me (my own predetermined judgements) he puts me to sleep.

Schweitzer, on the other hand, was The Man. Bolo tie was (for him) like Paul Simon's bowtie was for him: perfect. Too bad most media were picking their noses while he spoke.

And now, presenting the Big Dog... Bill.

She did plenty of "cheerleading", and for fucks sake, she is a US Senator and a pretty successful runner up candidate for her party's nomination, I think she has the right to say what she wants to.

The Clinton's still run the Dem. party and have no intentions of going away quietly in the night. Also, Barry needs their help now to help his chances and will really need Hillary's support in the Senate if he wins.

Warner didn't set the world on fire but he made my trousers move; does this guy fuck kids or have a coke problem or what? He would easily win this whole thing. Here's to hoping he has a long and successful career in the Senate.

............................................. Homina Homin Homina

i found senator casey's part about how him and Obama disagree on abortion, but he respects him because he's willing to see both sides of the discussion was interesting. I have no idea how that will play to either side of the issue, but i found him bringing it up at all curious.

I thought she did fine. Yes, she talked about herself a lot, but with pretty good cause. I am also nearing the limit of the number of times I can hear the word "change" without throwing up. Too much, too much, too much. I get it.

The thought that we might still blow this makes me nauseous.

"might", LOL

Bloor...I was just about to post that.

...yeah I know.

Yeah, every four years I get amazed all over again at how the democrats do such a shitty job of pretending to talk to the common rabble. Stop with the platitudes and the easy jabs, for fucksakes - I just wanted Hillary to pause for a second, elbows on the dais, look into the camera and say "okay, let's cut the bullshit. Here's the deal. America is a great country. We don't need to restore it, or save it, or change it. We just need to do what we've always done - and that is walk with a swagger instead of cowering in fear." Or something like that - because the fucking republicans are gonna win this thing once again on the fear vote. Fear got Dubya voted in a second term - McCain's a no-brainer in comparison.

From text of speech:

We need leaders once again who can tap into that special blend of American confidence and optimism that has enabled generations before us to meet our toughest challenges. Leaders who can help us show ourselves and the world that with our ingenuity, creativity, and innovative spirit, there are no limits to what is possible in America.

And then:

This is the story of America. Of women and men who defy the odds and never give up.

How do we give this country back to them?

By following the example of a brave New Yorker , a woman who risked her life to shepherd slaves along the Underground Railroad.

And on that path to freedom, Harriett Tubman had one piece of advice.

If you hear the dogs, keep going.

If you see the torches in the woods, keep going.

If they're shouting after you, keep going.

Don't ever stop. Keep going.

If you want a taste of freedom, keep going.

Even in the darkest of moments, ordinary Americans have found the faith to keep going.

I've seen it in you. I've seen it in our teachers and firefighters, nurses and police officers, small business owners and union workers, the men and women of our military - you always keep going.

We are Americans. We're not big on quitting.

It's not doing it for me, Harry. It's there, but the simple message is lost in decorative rhetoric. She needs to talk to the cheap seats.

And that typical long-winded rhetoric will continue to get destroyed by the republican sound bites time and time again...regardless of what it means.

after Hillary's speech, I am starting to wish she got the VP nod.

No way, no how, no McCain...

But it's what I was saying, this shit is so colored by prior beliefs that no forests are seen but for the motes in our own eyes (to mix and match metaphors). Which is why Obama and change (and lord knows I am so fucking tired of hearing "change" too...) ... a black man with the name Barack... I mean, really, a little perspective, how can this be happening at all? Which is why this election is interesting... will BO be able to burrow under the soma of the crypto-fascist fear-mongering that Americans seem addicted to swallowing...

As Schweitzer said, stand up America... off your hind ends in the cheap seats... stand up.

It's an interesting time. It isn't 2004... the standard analysis may get surprised.

all the speeches were loaded with chant ready republican style drivel.

Bloor/harry, points well made. I suppose I'm one of those people who just have an irrational dislike for HRC. I don't *hate* her, I just don't like her. If she had been the Democratic nominee for president, I certainly would have voted for her.

I certainly don't consider myself well-versed on how politics work (and perhaps that's a good thing???), so I'm not going to be able to argue with you on why I feel the way I do. It's more of a gut feeling than anything else. Was her speech good? Of course, it was. It made me sit down and watch/listen. I thought she was articulate, poised and comfortable on the stage. There were times however, at least for me, that it felt insincere. She brought up key topics of HER platform, saying she hopes Barack takes up the reins, which quite frankly? I doubt he'll be able to do. I don't see a resolution to the war in Iraq, I don't see national health care reform, I don't see a resolution to our oil crisis/dependency. Sure, we can make STRIDES in the right direction, but these things are very rarely EVER resolved in a short time frame like 4 years. Am I being pessimistic? Not sure. For people who seem to think McCain's got it in the bag, maybe he does, I don't know. I can say that I will hold onto every last shred of hope until that last ballot is counted. The fact is, if McCain does win, yes, it'll make my blood boil and I'll be stewing for another 4 years. But I will survive, just like all of you will.

I will look forward to hearing Bill, Joe and Obama's speeches. Again, people may say that Joe Biden was a horrible choice for running mate, but the fact is (and again, ALL GUT), I LIKE THE GUY.

In the meantime, I'm going to a party/fundraiser for Jeff Merkley here on Thursday night, who is running against Gordon Smith for US Senate.

Ironically after the broadcast was over last night, they cut back to regularly scheduled programming, which was "America's Got Talent." I overheard a modern dance/clogging ensemble, and a Britney Spears impersonator.

Not me.

The Billy-Barry drama would be too obnoxious.