Net Save sounds like an old timey description of a rebound.

Keepers will be assigned position somewhere between the first & fourth round -- I am going to consider Yahoo! rank & league history, plus various "sabre" projections to determine precisely which round is lost -- so actual, live picks to start, irrespective who autodrafts, will be minimized & the draft pace accelerated.

Net Saves = Saves - Blown Saves (so, this will reflect middle-relief work, which our league expects (thus the use of 'holds' as a category), as much as assigned game-enders (Mariano, Coco Cordero, Paps, Brandon League, et. al.))

& plate appearances is used as it offers more reason to play as many positions on a given day as possible. It will also keep the waiver wire active among all teams -- mine included -- since it will require frequent moves. (Therefore, I kept moves unlimited.)

Basically, if you have a gas-can like Kameron Loe (guilty as charged, in both fantasy & ML baseball), you'll be paying a heavy price.

I don't like the idea of keepers.

If we implement keepers, it doesn't make sense to do it now. My end of season roster moves may have been different if I knew that I got to keep someone. It makes more sense to announce that next year will be a keeper year so we have all year to decide who we are keeping and whether it makes sense to waste a DL slot on someone you want for next year.

Hypothetical Example: Pujols gets injured for the year, so I decide to drop him instead of wasting a DL spot. If I knew we were doing keepers, I might go ahead and bite the DL spot so I can keep him for next year instead of dropping him.

I agree.

Ok. Let's put it to a vote.

Keepers -- starting 2012, or starting 2013?

2013

2012 is fine with me but 2013 would be better and keeper compensation should be hammered out now....i.e. a keeper moves up 2 rds in original draft order, how are FA's handled, etc.

i vote 2013 and agree that rules should be declared now, prior to the draft. A kid like Strasburg or Turner would be higher in my draft, if I know I'll have the opportunity to hold them for multiple years. And I'd like to see the montymetrics before keeper deadline.

same

I like keepers for 2012, but I can't really argue with those who want to put it off to next year.

I don't like Monty's vague keeper compensation though. Instead, keep it simple - each player kept costs a pick starting in the last round of the draft, and moving forward. So in a 25 round draft, to keep two players would cost picks in rounds 24 & 25. If you want to tack on picking at the end of the 1st round (for teams with keepers), fine.

Having a keeper cost you a 24th or 25th round draft pick is crazy. Either it costs you a first rounder or a predesignated slot. My football league has a keeper that costs you the round in which they are projected to be drafted.

With either of these two options, where's the incentive to keep a player? Unless you have an overall top-5 player, you're probably better off not keeping anybody.

Why wouldn't you keep someone if it costs you a 24th rounder?

To make it simple, everyone should just pick 2 (or 3) keepers, and we start the drafting from there.

Well, it is a keeper league after all. That's pretty much the point.



Sounds good to me.

my football keeper league you lose a draft pick three rounds ahead of where you drafted them and if that would be in the first three rounds you can't keep them.

FINE.
i'm back in.
you have me as a whipping boy again.

The league page says that March 15 (technically midnight PDT March 14) is the deadline to declare keepers. We had some discussion in this thread, but I don't think anything was decided. Are we doing keepers for this season? If so, what's the keeper format going to be?

Keepers still a go. Teams can keep zero to two players, who will appear as their draft picks between rounds two & ten. I know at least one of mine I am slotting as a two. The other... Three or four.

I think we should start keepers next year, as nobody was drafting or dropping player with keepers in mind.

So what determines which draft pick(s) between rounds 2-10 is sacrificed? You need to give us some specifics before the deadline. If I'm thinking of keeping someone, I don't want to give up a pick ahead of where that player could be drafted.

Combination of 2012 Yahoo! Rank, 2011 Obner draft position, & Obner team 2011 league finish. But, mostly, Yahoo rank.

This is still too vague. How can you decide who to keep if you don't know exactly what keeping a particular player will cost?