It's this sort of ridiculous swaggering entitlement that people outside of New York justifiably roll their eyes at .

sounds like arod to me.

i don't think you could make a case for bernie, giambi, or posada as just being stuck in slumps. two of them are in their decline, bernie in particular. he is useless out there.

sheffield is hitting, arod is hitting, jeter is hitting.

now, since you don't think so highly of the red sox pitching staff, which enjoyed watching bronson take a no-no into the 7th today, while the yanks again let the devil rays run all over them, allow me to take a quick look at your situation...

the league is hitting .349 off of kevin brown, i believe. seriously, i hate your squad, but let me give you some advice. take the ball away from him and never give it back.
does anyone in the yankee organization know that he is 40, or does he lie about his age in the clubhouse?

rj is going to have injury problems all year, i bet. where did the 3 to 4 mph on his fastball go? if he doesn't find it quick, he'll be lucky to win 12 games.

mussina does not look so good out there either. sad thing about him is that he looks healthy, meaning that he just plainly can't fool anyone anymore. maybe he could still win in the nl.

wright would have trouble making the red sox rotation that you think is so crappy. he's probably your best starter right now.

then you have some dogshit rookies starting (!!!) for your $200 million train wreck. i saw where one of them almost pitched into the 4th against the rays. looks like major league talent to me!

tom gordon... old'd!!!!
rivera... old'd!!! solved'd!!!

so, your problems so far are going to recur all year. you will be playing from behind because of your crappy pitching and old creaky defense (with automatic outs tino, giambi, and bernie). if you manage to get a lead, your bullpen will blow it.

final result -- 82-80

peace!!!

Yeah its not like we ever came back from 7 games back or 17 games back...or wait a minute....

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Winning 4 of the last 9 World Series, on top of being world wide recognized as the greatest baseball franchise if not greatest sports franchise is what brings that ridiculous swaggering entitlement. It's been earned.

It's Yankee haters who put their didain for the Yanks over reality that is truly ridiculous.

The Yanks may not have what it takes to go all the way this year. Their 200 million dollar payroll may blow up on them, like the first 29 games have shown, but WHAT I CLEARLY stated in my first post in this thread was, that anyone thinking that the Yanks are gonna continue at this pace over the course of the season is a fool.

over and out.

Thrillhouse,

I recognize you hate the Yankees and are just engaging in trash talk. I should have better sense than to debate you.

But seriously, Wright the Yankees best starter....be serious. He's supposed to be the yankees 5th starter but may end up being the 4th starter if Brown doesn't shape up.

If Brown was a rookie or a 2nd year guy, he would be out of the lineup by now. I'm actually glad that Wright is out because it forces them to keep giving Brown the ball. Brown does have a .350 BA against him but most of it is all in the 1st inning. He gave up 12 hits in 5 innings the other day, 8 hits came in the first. Its been that way in every start. His stuff looks great as the game progresses. I'm not trying to deny its a problem but its not the Contreras/Weaver/Loiza problem where they would get rocked and never settle down. I expect Brown to work through this provided his back doesn't give out. Realistically, the yankees need at least one of Wright or Brown to get and stay healthy and pitch .500 ball. If the other guys perform like they should, all's fine.

As far as Randy Johnson goes, maybe you haven't seen his last two starts which have been very good. And April has always historically been his worst month and his velocity is always the last thing to come. He doesn't have any real health problems right now (unlike Shilling). His missing his start was purely precautionary and he was not happy about getting pulled.

Mussina isn't the dominant starter he was a few years ago but his last start was fine and I see no reason why he can't win 15-17 games.

Bernie's been in decline for several years so its not like any diminished production is really a big dropoff from last year. Giambi they got nothing from last year. If neither of those guys are productive, it just weakens their bench as Sierra would become the fulltime DH. They finished 1st in the east last year without any major contributions from Williams or Giambi after all.

I still predict Yankees win more games than Redsox but frankly I don't really care what the redsox do. I just care about the yankees. That was my earlier point. I find it curious that Redsox fans take such glee in the yankees current problems rather than worrying about their own challenges for the rest of the year.

This is my last reply to this thread too. I'm through debating this, its really rather pointless.

I think it's just because of this:
Boston 16-12 .571 Won 3
NY Yankees 11-18 .379 Lost 3

The Sox are on a winning streak with a guy they just called up from triple a, a guy that was supposed to be a middle reliever and their 4th/5th starter. If we'd have been on a losing streak too I don't think we'd be so elated about the Yanks losing.

But they wouldn't be as competitive if they still had Johnson.


As for the Yankees and Red Sox, I'm tired of watching both teams. I'm really hoping to see either the Orioles or Blue Jays win that division.

it's more because the yankees are in last place, dropped there by the devil rays, who are not usually responsible for handing teams three straight losses.

favorite point in the entire thread:

kevin brown is only really bad in the first inning. that's rich! let me see if i can think of something worse that a baseball team could be faced with than constantly being behind early... i'm out, that wins. maybe you could have rivera pitch the 1st when brown starts. lord knows you don't need him in the 9th.

thanks for reminding me exactly how impressive it is to suffer the worst collapse in the history of baseball. i mean, i thought the 78 sox would be saddled with that honor forever, but the 2004 yankees really did something special.

also, while i am at it... who cares to guess how many teams have allowed more runs than the yankees, who have fans who say the sox pitching staff is no good?

the answer is one. in all of baseball, only the devil rays have allowed more runs than the last place yankees.

wait i wanted to guess

WHITE SOX BITCHES

I think the issue for The Yankees is they have no options to get good young pitchers. Kevin Brown is done- forget about him. RJ can be great, but one guy can't carry the team.

The BIG difference now from a few years ago is guys like O'Neill were winners thorugh and through. ARod and Giambi are the classic example of guys who put up numbers, but do you really want them up in a big situation? Not sure who will come out at season's end, but if I were picking a WS right now I'd say Marlins over White Sox.

As a long-time Yankee fan (anyone remember those lean years in the early 90's?), it hurts to say that perhaps the time is now for the team to scrap a number of players--not to mention some coaches, i.e., Stottlemeyer--and stop relying on aging players who are no longer able to contribute.

It always comes down to pitching, doesn't it? From Brown to Pavano, to Gordon and Wright, this team is not equipped to win games, or even carry a .500 record!

Sad but true--the string of winning years has come to a close.

And, yes, I know it's still early in the season...

finally, a yankee fan who can admit there is something wrong.

Who didn't say something wasn't wrong?

Again, I go back to my first post in this thread....Yanks may not have all the tools to win it all this year, but the certainly are not gonna continue to play at this level all year long. There severely off track right now, but the wheels havent fallen off...

And, if this team was poised for disaster, how come they were still tops on almost all the pre-season polls and predictions?

How quickly the bandwagon jumping begins.....


On a related note, I did get a great laugh out of the NY Post today, who's backpage headline on the Yanks was 'Stinko de Mayo'. That was real good.

Well, it's not like I can deny all that has been happening (or, in the Yankees' case, nothing).

Even some local sports commentators, like "Mike and the Mad Dog" on WFAN, have been drilling into the team, pointing out their deficiencies.

I trust that the Yankees will turn things around--eventually--but suspect they won't be much of a factor in this year's pennant race.

Having said that, the early success of the Orioles is probably something of a fluke, considering the year Brian Roberts is having; they will come back to earth at some point.

I ain't jumping off any bandwagon, son.

YANKEES FO' LIFE!

They are picked for the same reason the Lakers are considered a title contender every year (including this one) and the Dallas Cowboys were picked to go to Superbowls when most of their team from the early 90's was way past their prime- it's an easy pick, and one that most people won't challenge.

Also, I don't think people realized that they had such little leverage for making trades to improve the team. They literally have nothing to give from the minor league/prospect front, and nobody wants to take on the inflated salaries of their expendable everyday guys like Giambi.

that's what I wanna hear!!!!!!

i think i liked it better when red sox fans were bitching about not winning

lol! that's some good shit there

maybe you will enjoy yankee fans from now on then

they aren't going to really bitch too terribly much, seeing as they have more WS rings than anyone.