why would a band with as much filler problems as the Foo Fighters release a 2xCD? I hate double albums.

Thought their first album was ok, but haven't paid much attention since. I think the beer commercial comparison is apt.

Out of the three I own, I'd rate them;

The Colour and the Shape
There is Nothing Left to Lose
One By One

I enjoy them, but not quite as much as I used to.

Never had a problem with them, never took them too seriously, always enjoyed their pop chops, which are rooted in smart powerpop with a few metal/punk shadings, rather than in the coporate-bland aspects of pop. I've never thought they were bland or boring, but they're not trying to be edgy or revolutionary. They're just writing smart rock tunes with good hooks.

Sometimes that's what's fun to hear.

lots of opinions on them here:

http://obner.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1270

my take: first album was fucking brilliant--IMO one of the greatest ever made. Second one was good. after that I dont care very much.

No wonder I’m starting to hate this board. Better than Nirvana, obviously you never saw them live. Kurt Cobain changed Rock and Roll and not many bands can say that.

One of the best shows I have ever seen in my life before Nevermind was even on the streets was Nirvana. Friday August 17, 1990 at the Hollywood Palladium opening for Sonic Youth and PJ Harvey. After they played the whole place was so shocked at what they had just seen that anyone coming on after that was a joke, poor PJ.

Also saw them four months before Kurt was no longer: Dec 30, 1992 at the Great Western Forum. You could feel the pain and rush of a brilliant person and felt like a special night, never had a clue it was one of his last.

Foodfighter better than Nirvana, please there isn’t even close to an argument there.

dude did you read that post

Yes, I’m agreeing with Scott, disagreeing with everyone else who said that they are better, I just didn’t want to point that out because it’s so ridicules.

I had to make sure I knew what I was taking about as Nevermind came out one year and one month later on September 24, 1991. KROQ was reborn.

I hope anyone comparing "moderate rock" like Foo Fighters with Nirvana is joking. Or, more likely, never heard Nirvana.

Deification of bands is silly, plus it's okay to like Foo Fighters songs for what they are (fun songs) without having to get all "Nirvana changed the planet and conceived your sister"

You’re 100% right but when people say ridicules things like what was stated than reality needs to be spoken sometimes. Just Scott was the first to say it and it was getting a bit out of hand on this thread.

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I'm not gonna deny Nirvana was influential and all that shit...but I listen to my Foo Fighter cds more often than my Nirvana cds. I guess that makes my reality "ridicules." Damn.

I think Nirvana gets too much credit for changing music.

Are you going to start performing Hamlet or have some sort of tearful exit from the board? Cut the fucking drama, dude.

I love Nirvana. They were a super huge and influential band on me and our times (I'm 30 and I think that you are around the same age). I just happen to think that the Foo Fighters are better. I think that Grohl's music, despite being labeled commercial and cartoony is oftentimes far from it---it is on occasion also complicated and super emotional...... Like I mentioned above, learning and playing Grohl's songs onstage has given me a far better appreciation and connection to it. Something I've frankly never gotten from playing a Nirvana song. Kurt Cobain was as calculating a pop tunesmith as anyone, I just personally think the guy lacked the depth of character to know what to do with it.

See the difference is that Dave can distance himself, as an artist, from the emotion of what drives him to create emotional music from his fun side. Thats why he hasn't eaten a twelve gauge like that sorry-ass, buster-ass quitter Cobain......

And, of course, to each his own. I respect your love of Nirvana. Shit, I let you get away with not liking The Truckers dude.

and maybe cobain's connection to his emotions and being able to express his emotions the way he did is the reason i would consider him an artist in the truest sense and maybe only consider dave grohl a musician

Being dead or an asshole or not a big enough man to deal with your problems does not make you an artist.

Interesting theory though.nice try

So (even though I love Nirvana), shall I play devil's advocate and say that all you need for genuis is to howl and scream out your inner demons while the industry packages it as slacker detachment sarcasm?

So the fact that Cobain MEANT all his lyrics personally made him a greater talent?

I liked them better when I thought he was just CHANNELING his demons to make art and social commentary. Nirvana were diminished a bit for me when I realized that he was just screaming for help.

and taking stabs at mental illness makes you what?

I think we can all agree that great art, whether it's music, poetry, painting, often goes hand in hand with the madness of it's creator. Depression, anxiety, mania are often coupled with creativity, just look throughout history and you see instances of this. Cobain's problems allowed him to generate some very emotional and important music. I don't think that because Grohl doesn't fulfill the tortured artist role his music is any less significant than Cobain's. Grohl is fucking talented as hell, the first album is all him, he didn't even have a band. That to me is significant. However, that being said, the Foo Fighters are a pop band to me. I do enjoy them, I have all their albums and will probably buy the new one. But I think history will not judge them as an Important Band like Nirvana. I don't see the Foo Fighters creating something as cathartic as In Utero.

In what part of that quote am I taking a stab at his (perceived=your perception) mental illness. I'm taking a stab at dude being a junkie. I don't put junkies on pedastals, in fact I call them out for the pathetic pieces of shit that they are. Read. Genius.





Well said, DJ and probly true.

its the sum of your comments and attitude that show a lack of understanding of someone with a mental illness, not just one part of one quote. the part i quoted was inserted as a leaping off point for my next comment.

my disgust was/is aimed at your overall shitty attitude and probably more specifically this comment:




suicide brought on by depression is not "sorry-ass, buster-ass quit[ing]

Y'know, if you guys all agreed to separate the quality of the song from the cultural significance you'd save yourselves a lot of weezerific arguing.

Sonically, I don't hear a lot of difference between Nirvana and Foo Fighters. But in terms of cultural significance, anybody who votes Foo is buckled to the front seat of the short bus.

charlie parker, billie holliday, keith richards, john belushi, timothy leary, william s. burroughs, miles davis and bela lugosi are all pretty pathetic.

I do hear differences between Nirvana and the Foos. Nirvana had a fuller band sound that comes from greater collaboration where the Foos (esp early foos) were really just Grohl writing and recording and then teaching the other dudes how to play his songs. Also, with the exception of most of Nevermind and select songs like Rape Me (lyrical content aside), Nirvana were never as radio-friendly as the Foos are.

Foos aren't really my sort of thing anymore, but I have nothing but respect for Grohl. I have friends who if I was going to search through their collections for something to play, Foos would be near the top of the list but I don't really feel any need to own them any longer and don't really pay any attention to what they are doing anymore. Only real negative thing I could say about the Foos are that they started around the time that Alt radio was really cratering and along with a couple of other bands (Blur and early Oasis) were just interesting enough to delay my realizing how bad radio had become.

np: Veal "Tilt O' Whirl"

i think 'everlong' is one of the most wistful songs ever recorded.

(other than that...i don't really have an opinion of the foo fighters. i can listen to them. don't NOT like them. other than that...i don't really think about them.)