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Busty Rhodes Wrote:
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scales are great, now get that book of Bach Chorales, and a beginning college theory text, and settle in for some harmonic analysis. It's more addicting than crack, more fun than crosswords, and it will unlock the mysteries of the Beatles songwriting prowess. Seriously. But go figure, George Martin was a trained classical clarinetist with a serious hard-on J.S. Bach.

I might be coming up to Madison with a couple buddies to go to that great acoustic guitar shop, if you want I'll go to the college bookstore and tell you a few titles to get, and then sit down with you and show you how analysis works, standard analytical notation, etc. It'll add another dimension to your playing and your thought process.

-Phil

p.s. Todd's suggestion is also pure gold. Do it without tab. Use those ears, I know you're a picky bastard who can tell in tune from out of tune, aaron.



dude I'd take you up on this in a SECOND! I've been so lazy with trying to learn scales and stuff cause I met Cap'N right after I started playing, so I never needed to learn anything like that, cause he's always around. But I'd love to sit down with you and talk about this kind of thing if you get up here. and I know the Cap'N would too. Let us know when you think this might be going down. Thanks


Sweet. Sometime in June is my bet, depending on touring and shit.

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Lambchop Wrote:
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scales in broken thirds, and broken sixths. Scales in scalar thirds. scales in diatonic triads.

W= whole step (equivalent to 2 frets), H = half step (equivalent to one fret)

Major scale = W, W, H, W, W W, H

C D E F G A B C
W W H W W W H

C being scale degree one, D is scale degree two, etc...

broken thirds are the following scale degrees 1,3,2,4,3,5,4,6,5,7,6,1,7,2,1 going up, 1,6,7,5,6,4,5,3,4,2,3,1,2,7,1 going down.

scalar thirds are 123,234,345,456,567,671,712,1 going up, 176,765,654,543,432,321,217,1 going down

sixths are blah blah blah... you can figure it out, you're bright.

Apply those whole and half step patterns to any root, and you've got a major scale. Flat (lower by a half step) the third and seventh and you've got a natural minor scale. Sharp (raise by a half step) the flatted 7th in a natural minor scale and you've got the harmonic minor (think Hava Nagila sounding). Take the natural minor scale and sharp the 6th and 7th going up, but lower both coming down and you have the melodic minor.

Blah blah blah.


Phil, thats Gold, Baby!

Got anything to help a man with developing a consistent rhythm?


Joe, what's your background? When you're walking with your ipod, try and find the steady beat and walk to it, and that's most likely the quarter note pulse. Twice as fast is eighth notes. Half as fast is half notes. Try walking to quarter note pulses of different songs, and externalizing either eight notes or quarter notes on your body with your hand, or on an object like a pen with your index finger. Every thing that moves moves in rhythm and that includes you. You already have consistent rhythm, you just need to be aware of it and control it. Then you apply it to the instrument. With guitar and strumming, treat all your down strokes as quarters, and all your upstrokes as the eighth notes between quarters. When you learn a song, no matter how simple the strum is, keep a steady clock like up-and-down motion with your strum. The trick is to only strike the strings when the song dictates, but to keep the up and down motion of the strum continuous. That's one simple way to externalize your internal rhythm.

Also, slow and steady trains your muscular memory and trains it correctly. Start slow and gradually speed up. You can play anything anyone else plays, and just as fast, but it takes time and the fastest road to that is slow and steady, and repeate it till your ready to puke.

That Guitar Fitness cover looks gay, but Josquin DuPres is a legitimately wonderful and amazing player who gets no attention, so i would check it out.

Peace,
Phil

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Hey dusty, I'll buy that faggoted-up guitar book off of you if you're not using it.

And Phil, I'm going to second Colin in asking what broken 6ths look like. Is it bad that I'm playing the scale the same way every time, or should I be learning different ways to play major scales while I'm doing this?


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Hey dusty, I'll buy that faggoted-up guitar book off of you if you're not using it.
Nope, I still want to learn. But I would recommend getting it, my friend raved about it.

And since when does highly stylized cartoonishly muscle-bound men == faggoty? I have to admit to never even thinking about theghey until this thread...

I mean, unless you want him. Then I could see it, but I think faggotiness is in the eye of the beholder.

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in a C Major scale, sixths are
low C up to A,
down to D up to B
down to E up to C
down to F up to D
down to G up to E
down to A up to F
down to B up to G
down to C

high C down to E
up to B down to D
up to A down to C
up to G down to B
up to F down to A
up to E down to G
up to D down to F
up to C down to E
up to B down to D
up to C

it spans a couple octaves so go slow at first.

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