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Moaning about lists is one of my few remaining joys in a troubling world. It's a pretty good list, but I must find some grumbles to keep me going :)


Moan away...I actually think its a pretty crappy list over all. I just disagree with what you're moaning about. :D


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I've always wanted to hear The Harder They Come.

Holy shitters. Pick that sucker up. While you're at it pick up the Rockers soundtrack too. IMHO, it's just a tad weaker than THTC.

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Yes, and yes.


Now you're just talking nonsense. Even restricting attention to the 70s--Bowie had like three different creative peaks there! Lennon was all over the map, most of it good and most of it new! Entertainment's a great album, but the depth just isn't there (IMHO blah blah blah).


But it's an album list. Not an "entire catalogue of the decade" list. Entertainment! blows away just about every single Bowie album. There's not a weak track on it, while there are tracks on just about every one of Bowie's Mainman catalogue that will put you to sleep. While Talking Heads' first four albums are stellar, none of them on their own stand up to "Pink Flag" or "Entertainment!".


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Since there is interest in this thread after all here is the rest of it:



101 Richard Hell And The Voidoids - Blank Generation
102 Giorgio Moroder - From Here To Eternity
103 Yes - Close To The Edge
104 George Harrison - All Things Must Pass
105 Magazine - Real Life
106 Captain Beefheart And The Magic Band - Lick My Decals Off, Baby
107 Elvis Costello and the Attractions - Armed Forces
108 Various - No New York
109 Fleetwood Mac - Tusk
110 Todd Rundgren - Something/Anything
111 Cars - s/t
112 Curtis Mayfield - Curtis
113 Pop Group - Y
114 Steely Dan - Katy Lied
115 Herbie Hancock - Sextant
116 Bruce Sprinsteen - Born To Run
117 Joao Gilberto - Joao Gilberto
118 James Brown - Sex Machine
119 Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
120 ABBA - Arrival
121 Fripp/Eno - Evening Star
122 T. Rex - Electric Warrior
123 Funkadelic - One Nation Under A Groove
124 James 'Blood' Ulmer - Tales Of Captain Black
125 Faust - Faust IV
126 Human League - Reproduction
127 Pink Floyd - The Wall
128 Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance
129 Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
130 Boston - Boston
131 Led Zeppelin - Physical Grafitti
132 Van Morrison - Moondance
133 Talking Heads - Fear Of Music
134 Velvet Underground - 1969 Velvet Underground Live
135 Who - Who's Next
136 Rod Stewart - Every Picture Tells A Story
137 ABBA - Voulez-Vous
138 Dr Buzzard's Original Savannah Band - 'Dr Buzzard's Original Savannah Band'
139 Fall - Live At The Witch Trials
140 Patti Smith - Horses
141 Fela Kuti - Zombie
142 Ramones - Rocket To Russia
143 Buzzcocks - Another Music In A Different Kitchen
144 Neu! - Neu! 2
145 CCR - Cosmo's Factory
146 Aretha Franklin - 'Spirit In The Dark'
147 Police - Regatta de Blanc
148 Dr. Alimantado - The Best Dressed Chicken In Town
149 Devo - Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!
150 David Bowie - Aladdin Sane
151 lou reed 'metal machine music'
152 Joni Mitchell- Court And Spark
153 Carole King - Tapestry
154 Undertones - The Undertones
155 Willie Nelson "Redheaded Stranger"
156 Milton Nascimento & Lo Borges - Clube Da Esquina
157 Culture - Two Sevens Clash
158 T. Rex - The Slider
159 Charlemagne Palestine - Four Manifestations On Six Elements
160 Black Devil -- Disco Club
161 Donna Summer - Bad Girls
162 Townes Van Zandt - Live At The Old Quarter
163Thin Lizzy - Jailbreak
164 Brian Eno - Music For Airports
165 Capt. Beefheart & the Magic Band - Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller)
166 This Heat - This Heat
167 Jerry Goldsmith - Alien
168 Jorge Ben - Africa Brasil
169 Gong - Camembert Electrique
170 Mott The Hoople - Mott
171 Faust - Tapes
172 cecil taylor 'silent tongues'
173 Randy Newman - Good Ol Boys
174 Kiss - Destroyer
175 Carole King - Really Rosie [soundtrack]
176 cerrone - cerrone 3: supernature
177 Bauhaus - In The Flat Field
178 Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water
179 Specials - s/t
180 Gram Parsons - GP
181 Saints - I'm Stranded
182 Genesis - Selling England By The Pound
183Ivor Cutler - Life In A Scotch Sitting Room Vol. 2
184 Pere Ubu - Dub Housing
185 Neil Young- Zuma
186 Who - Quadrophenia
187 Swell Maps - A Trip To Marineville
188 Alvin Lucier - I Am Sitting In A Room
189 Nilsson - Nilsson Sings Newman
190 Cheap Trick - Heaven Tonight
191 Queen - A Night At The Opera
192 Joni Mitchell - Hejira
193 Roxy Music - Stranded
194 Jimi Hendrix - Band of Gypsys
195 John Martyn - Solid Air
196 Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
197 Yes - Fragile
198 Keith Jarrett - Koln Concert
199 Bob Dylan And The Band - Before The Flood
200 Brian Eno - Before and After Science

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Yes, and yes.


Now you're just talking nonsense. Even restricting attention to the 70s--Bowie had like three different creative peaks there! Lennon was all over the map, most of it good and most of it new! Entertainment's a great album, but the depth just isn't there (IMHO blah blah blah).


But it's an album list. Not an "entire catalogue of the decade" list. Entertainment! blows away just about every single Bowie album. There's not a weak track on it, while there are tracks on just about every one of Bowie's Mainman catalogue that will put you to sleep. While Talking Heads' first four albums are stellar, none of them on their own stand up to "Pink Flag" or "Entertainment!".



I almost agree, but I think Remain in Light can pass either of those on an overall list, but since this is just the 70's it doesn't apply. Entertainment is in my mind a better album than any of the Bowie records, but Bowie has aceived a lot more as an artist. The only negaitves for me on the list were having What's Going On and Parallel Lines as high as they are.

I actually like 154 better than Pink Flag.

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Does anyone know why Patti Smith made neither this list nor the Pitchfork list? I though the popular impression was that she was one of the most influential artists of the decade.


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wasn't Let it Be recorded in 1970.

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Does anyone know why Patti Smith made neither this list nor the Pitchfork list? I though the popular impression was that she was one of the most influential artists of the decade.


Horses is at #140.

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oh, I see it...79, is a bit high for my taste.

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I never saw this on Pitchfork itself but since just about all currant and past writers post on ILM they posted their remaining list.



With our 70's poll imminent, here's the rest of this poll's results (from Pitchforkmedia writers) for comparison:

101 Gene Clark - No Other
102 Roxy Music - Country Life
103 Roxy Music - Siren
104 Talking Heads - 77
105 David Bowie - Heroes
106 Neu - ‘75
107 Black Sabbath - Paranoid
108 The Meters - Rejeuvenation
109 John Cale - Paris 1919
110 Randy Newman - Good Old Boys
111 Brian Eno - Discreet Music
112 Igor Wakhevitch - Docteur Faust
113 Lou Reed - Transformer
114 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity
115 David Bowie - Station to Station
116 Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance
117 Yes - Close to the Edge
118 James Brown - Sex Machine
119 New York Dolls - New York Dolls
120 This Heat - This Heat
121 Sparks - Kimono My House
122 Curtis Mayfield - Curtis
123 Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
124 Willie Nelson - Red Headed Stranger
125 John Lennon - Imagine
126 Magma - Live/Hhai
127 Steely Dan - Katy Lied
128 Big Star - #1 Record
129 Julius Hemphill - Dogon A.D.
130 Manuel Gottsching - Inventions for Electric Guitar
131 PIL - Public Image
132 ABBA - Arrival
133 Billy Joel - The Stranger
134 David Bowie - Lodger
135 Scritti Politti: 4 A-Sides
136 John Fahey - America
137 Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run
138 Jimi Hendrix - Band of Gypsys
139 T Rex - The Slider
140 Brian Eno - Ambient Music For Airports
141 Tom Waits - Closing Time
142 Art Bears - Winter Songs
143 Burning Spear - Marcus Garvey
144 Philip Glass - Einstein on the Beach
145 Smokey Robinson - A Quiet Storm
146 The Allman Brothers - Eat a Peach
147 The Doors - L.A Woman
148 Richard Hell - Blank Generation
149 Cluster - II
150 Germs - GI
151 Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers
152 Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life
153 Grateful Dead - American Beauty
154 Steely Dan - Aja
155 Bob Marley - Catch a Fire
156 Durutti Column - The Return of the Durutti Column
157 The Kinks - Muswell Hillbillies
158 Alice Coltrane - Journey in Satchadananda
159 Kraftwerk - Autobahn
160 Van Morrison - Moondance
161 Junior Murvin - Police & Thieves
162 Neil Young - Harvest
163 Pere Ubu - Dub Housing
164 Queen - Sheer Heart Attack
165 Yes - Fragile
166 The Damned - Damned Damned Damned
167 Elvis Costello - Armed Forces
168 Pink Floyd - Animals
169 Big Star - Radio City
170 King Crimson - Larks Tongues in Aspic
171 The Meters - Look-Ka Py Py
172 Brian Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy)
173 The Upsetters - Super Ape
174 Dennis Wilson - Pacific Ocean Blue
175 Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps
176 Harmonia - Deluxe
177 The Who - Quadrophenia
178 Bob Dylan - Self-Portrait
179 Patti Smith - Horses
180 Magazine - Real Life
181 Derek and the Dominoes - Layla and Assorted Love Songs
182 Gavin Bryars - The Sinking of the Titanic
183 Jam - All Mod Cons
184 Stevie Wonder - Talking Book
185 Bruce Haack - Electric Lucifer
186 Sly & The Family Stone - Fresh
187 Chic - C’est Chic
188 Vashti Bunyan - Another Diamond Day
189 Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
190 Fripp & Eno - Evening Star
191 Grateful Dead - Workingman’s Dead
192 Parliament - Mothership Connection
193 Faust - Tapes
194 Rod Stewart - Every Picture Tells a Story
195 Funkadelic - America Eats its Young
196 Thin Lizzy - Jailbreak
197 Pere Ubu - New Picnic Time
198 Van Morrison - St Dominic’s Preview
199 Frank Zappa - Joe’s Garage Acts 2 & 3
200 Ornette Coleman - Skies of America

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112 Igor Wakhevitch - Docteur Faust
129 Julius Hemphill - Dogon A.D.
130 Manuel Gottsching - Inventions for Electric Guitar
142 Art Bears - Winter Songs
185 Bruce Haack - Electric Lucifer
188 Vashti Bunyan - Another Diamond Day



What this now?????? 70's albums I haven't heard??????
I need to go lie down...


Oh, and props on the Durutti Column.


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135 Who - Who's Next


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135 Who - Who's Next


What color is the sky in ILM's world?


Since it has come up this was a bit of what they had to say about Who’s Next. I even think they started a thread about this but I’m not going to look it up right now.


A fine list. Poor Who's Next. What happened?
-- Roadkill Bingo

But, yeah, what the fucking fuck happened to Who's Next
-- Sundar

Well, I love the 2CD Deluxe edition I won in a competition. (Who's next I mean)
And have you seen the triple LP version?
That said, I didn't vote for it because I didn't.
-- mark grout

I really wish I had voted in this, if only to prop up some of the classic rock sacred cows (WHO'S NEXT YO) that were robbed.
-- Al

yeah, classic rock got destroyed on this--and I deliberately steered my list towards songs over albums (60 / 10) so that I could avoid voting for the dinsoaurs.
-- The Good Dr. Bill


I think you're probably just being goofy, RS, but just FTR I don't think I was the biggest whiner about the lack of rock (at all). And I strongly praised the #1. I just commented about specific albums. (There was barely any classic rock at all in my top 10, depending on how you classify Band of Gypsys and Brian Eno.)
But, come on, fucking Who's Next! John Entwistle!
-- Sundar


Most criminal omissions:
Who's Next
Every Picture Tells A Story
Born To Run
Zuma
Classic rock was woefully under-represented and post-punk was over-represented. Can't wait to see the singles poll.
What's next, Hobart? 80s? 90s? 60s? This is the most fun ever.
-- kornrulez6969

As much as I think this was a success, there were a lot of key records that weren't even nominated, like Starsailor and Headhunters.
What is the logic for only voting on nominated albums, anyway? Why be so exclusive?
-- Keith C

What is the logic for only voting on nominated albums, anyway? Why be so exclusive?
I think the idea is to prevent having lots of albums that only one or two people have voted for, to make insure that the winners have won by some sort of substantial margin.
-- RS_LaRue

I count about 26 classic rock (as in "gets play on FM classic rock stations") records. But like half of those are Bowie, so maybe that doesn't count. Actually this might be higher if I throw in stuff like Talking Heads.
xposts Fair enough. I think minimalism and free funk and motherfucking FUSION were robbed worst. Those and fucking Who's Next.
o no, you dickpipes missed Dark Side of the Moon! more like I Hate Music, jeez!
-- Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?)

xpost Pitchfork vs. ILM: at a glance it says the biggest difference is ILM doesn't recognize the Mighty Splendour that is Led Zeppelin. This makes me sad.
-- Dr. Gene Scott

Can somebody post the link to the 90s poll? I'd love to see it.
-- kornrulez6969

Singles: http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=5218713
Albums: http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=5268081


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