Like all the love for Spoon?

it's all about temptation and anticipation. those two things are very hard to resist. when you give into them, you might feel like a poseur, but it's all a very natural part of your growth as an obnerite et al.

temptation - what's tempting, to MUSIC LOVERS, whether they recognize it yet or not, is hearing good music. everyone is talking about it, why miss an opportunity to hear something lauded and well recommended? it's almost like the lottery - your chances of winning (or to translate, chances of hearing that mind-blowing album) are slim, but you've still got to go for it, because hey, you never know. the solution for temptation can take two forms. first, the one i prefer, is slsk or something similar. i can't tell you how many times i've dl'ed something praised here or CMJ or Pfork. i love to catch new music, and went fishing with slsk for a long time. sometimes i'd catch something good. many, many other times though i'd throw it back.

the other solution to temptation, one i don't particularly care for, is hype-backlash. when something is praised sooo much, sometimes people become afriad that they too will give into temptation, jump on the wagon, etc. they are afraid that listening to popular music will appear as an attempt to fit in (which, interestingly enough, i think the opposite is happening - we don't try to fit in with popular music, popular music is trying to fit in with us). so rather than going fishing or playing the lottery they just dismiss it as a waste of time, call it overrated, etc.

anticipation - anticipation is also a hard thing to combat. it's hard not to get excited about an upcoming release. it's hard not to be curious about the next big thing - notice, it's always the NEXT big thing - very rarely is it HERE (although once in a while you'll hear one say "______ has arrived") and once it is HERE people seem to care less about it and more about what's on the next horizon.

ok, anyway...getting off track...

liking something vs. being cool - well most people will tell you that you shouldn't worry about being cool, but in case you do worry, and at the same time want to listen to music you like, rather than what's hip, you just need to find your proper environment. for instance, i love pop punk music, but here at obner that love is fairly well reigned in, and i'm about as cool here as that comedian who did that one funny movie like four years ago...over at the pop punk bored though, you'll hear plenty from me about the lastest kung fu monkeys 7" (you get two 7"s - one on blue clear and one on red clear vinyl, then you look through them to see the 3-D artwork on the sleeve...gawd i love pop punk!) or the new Joe Jitsu ep or Teenage Bottlerocket (who are like the Wrens of the pop punk bored). also over there, I AM A GOD. so really i think most people are cool, depending on the audience.

hmm what else? oh yeah. i consider myself to be an indie snob, but i'm striving to be an indie snob that is also very kind and loving, rather than rude. like the good witch from the wizard of oz. she's a witch, but at the same time she is nice.

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bort
np: neu!

Yeah like a bunch of obscure shit nobody's ever heard of. I think you're on to something.

bort is cool.

Bort's 3-D vinyl thing just gave me a hard-on.

And Arcade Fire?

Uttered without irony on the Obner board. Well done. Your free tickets to Architecture In Helsinki are in the mail.

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I got me some mixes of Radcliffe's obscurities, and I've been better served by them than by any of the crap making the collective Listmania or end of year lists.

Hence the "wannabe" portion of the phrase.

Sorry Rads, I probably would seem more legit dropping shit like The Winkies on the board as if everyone should know exactly who they are.

i have always been cool.

I think hipster and music snob are not exactly the same.

We've got lots of music snobs here, and some of them have compelling reasoning behind the snobbery.

But hipsters - there's only a few, at least of the sort genuinely worried about peer acceptance via music taste.

NP - Skid Row "Subhuman Race"

I'm cooler than a Polar Bear's Toenails. That said, I think my affinity for pure gar pop is well documented.

Like what you like and hate what you hate. We'll judge you from afar.

I hope your newfound revelation gives you time to listen to The Stones, cos no matter what folks think are cool, they own.

she's heaaaaart and sooooooul!!!!!!!!!!

You immediately sprang to mind upon seeing this thread, BM. The character whose harsh reviews consist nothing of music, only the constant slagging of what the band members wore that evening, or how the audience didn't vigorously applaud your favorite Slint song. Not even your Section 25 German import will make you 'legit', let alone relevant. Find a gas leak and huff deeply.

Exactly.

Pop albums that some people like a lot because they're well crafted pop albums. Other people don't so much care for them. The problem comes in when the people who don't like something accuse the ones who do like it of "hipster posturing" or whatever.

I don't so much care for Spoon, but I'm not gonna accuse the people who like them of being posers. Same goes for the Fiery Furnaces and a bunch of other stuff. My mention of Spoon was directed at Radcliffe as a somewhat tongue-in-cheek reference to his rabid Arcade Fire backlash last year. I know I didn't really make that clear, but the whole thing really isn't worth expending any more energy over.

this thread rules

Rabid backlash? Jesus Christ, Dinky, you keep bringing this shit up. Maybe once in a while you should try using that dormant lump of grey matter between your ears. I never expressed any kind of contempt for (or even dislike of) Arcade Fire - I merely questioned why so many people proclaimed the album as the absolute, runaway choice for best of the year. If it helps you understand anything, I'll be equally suspicious if Gimme Fiction receives the same sort of universal praise.

And this thread, in which we've seen some admissions of "liking music to be cool", seems to offer proof that my suspicions had some validity.

Yeah.



"Proof"?

Shut the fuck up. Seriously.

and:

I've cut some promos in my time, but DAMN Moxie. Bringin it.

Changed my mind- he or she isn't worth it. Moxie- I'll be in NYC and Chicago later this summer. PM me if you live in either. I'll make time for you to tell me all of this in person.

this is awesome. is it like this around here every day? because i'll start posting from work if that's the case.

You people need to relax and have some fun every once in a while. Christ.

I'm glad juice has come to this conclusion. Bravo. Quite a few others would also benefit from determining their own tastes and telling the rest of the world to fuck off.

For instance, who will be the next person to start a "Pitchfork Sucks" thread, rather then just not reading it? But if I don't read it I might be the last one to know when M.I.A. changes her tampon! I am no fan of Pitchfork, and I may look over at their site 5-6 per year. It doesn't bother me.

Bort said it pretty well. Every scene has it's own set of acceptance tokens. A good bit of you people here wouldn't admit it, but it's true. I think people scrounging around for things you don't hear on the radio or the MTV are generally worse about the hip quotient, because they put so much effort into finding the next big thing that 95% of the music loving world will never give a shit about.

There's a hearty contingent of people crawling around this and many other internet forums who are consumed, fighting to keep pace with so many releases from so many artists on so many labels so that they can keep up with the rest of their white belt wearing brethren.

Difference between them and me is my life keeps chugging along even if I don't get to hear things as soon as they come out, and f you tell me that you don't like Ike Reilly all that much, Steve Poltz is sophomoric or Mighty Mighty Bosstones suck, oh well. I'm not offended by that. I'm not going to cry backlash and stomp my feet because it doesn't fucking matter. I can put on my headphones and go where ever the hell I want, and if you don't like where I go, fuck you, because you weren't invited anyway.

I enjoy many different kinds of new and old music. It enhances my life; it does not consume it.