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here's the link if anyone wants to know what he's complaining about:
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-re ... opes.shtml

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having just read the review, it's certainly not nice but i've seen much worse ass-kickings on that site. it comes down to the reviewer thinking that the dude is pretentious, all style no substance. reading that letter makes me think he might be right, but no having heard any of their music i'll wait to pass judgement for some other day. and then maybe i'll make up a story about lions and shit.

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having just read the review, it's certainly not nice but i've seen much worse ass-kickings on that site. it comes down to the reviewer thinking that the dude is pretentious, all style no substance. reading that letter makes me think he might be right, but no having heard any of their music i'll wait to pass judgement for some other day. and then maybe i'll make up a story about lions and shit.


Ha. That was pretty funny. No wonder he has his panties in a bunch. Mr. Say Hi To Your Mom should be slapped based on song titles alone.

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The whole "golden egg" bothers me. How the fuck does he know his egg is golden?

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The whole "golden egg" bothers me. How the fuck does he know his egg is golden?

Generally you place it between your teeth and bite in order to see if the metal is soft and the real deal or just some harder, less valuable alloy.


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oldbulee Wrote:
The whole "golden egg" bothers me. How the fuck does he know his egg is golden?


Because the prevailing attitude that everyone and everything is special. If he says he worked hard on it, then you have to like it based on the invested effort. Anyone who denigrates it obviously didn't take the time to properly observe and comprehend it, or are intellectually incapable of understanding the sheer genius of it all.

I have little time for insecure fucks like this. One of the guaranteed truths of creating something, be it music, a design or a concept, is that someone--maybe lots of someones--will not like it or find it to be particularly useful. If he can't swallow that, then maybe ol' Eric should go ahead and work that extra shift at White Castle.

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I think you're all being a bunch of morons here. Well, most of you anyways.

Seriously, you sound no better then those pretentious pricks at Pitchfork(wow trying those last four words tent imes really fast). I don't read Pitchfork hardly ever, usually only because of some stupid controversy everyone is talking about, because they really are dickheads and frankly I don't give a crap what they think. And when everyone else creams their drawers over what the writers there have to say, I want to vomit.

I thought the story was pretty funny, and also pretty right on. So what if you guys think his music sucks or his song title's suck, at least made a point, rather creatively too.

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Maybe the letter is a slap at the PFM form of writing reviews, too. I'm just guessing here.

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Charli Wrote:
I thought the story was pretty funny, and also pretty right on. So what if you guys think his music sucks or his song title's suck, at least made a point, rather creatively too.


I don't know what the point is, though. It appears the point is that the reviewer didn't even listen to the record. But upon reading the review, it sure sounds like he did. Now the letter comes off as a quasi-clever "How dare you not like my record?" I say, suck it up. Sorry, but life's not all beer and skittles, Eric.

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This is the old debate of reviewer vs writer, in which the writer has but one "trump" card, and that is "those who can't actually create anything simply review it." It implies that anyone who is able to (in this case) put sound on a record is above the reproach of any critic, and it has a kernal of truth to it, but then why have reviews if they're not allowed to say anything bad? Most albums aren't fantastic, frankly, but pretty much all the artists who recorded them thought they were at the time.

Meh.

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I think the point of the letter is that lion and bunnies don't live on the same continents so they would not be frequenting the same bars.


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AGAIN: If you people hate Pitchfork so much, why do you read it?


it's like a bad car accident, you still stop and look.

as for me, i read it, i don't take what they say so seriously... especially when it comes to reviews. some of you need to lighten up.

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it was cute and stupid. that's where i'll leave it.

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AGAIN: If you people hate Pitchfork so much, why do you read it?
Because it's the site we love to hate.

Don't hate hate. Love hate.

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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
this reminds me of the analogy Billy Corgan tried to make on that old VHS tape I have downstairs, that came out after Siamese Dream, with concert footage and some other gar on it. At one point, Billy is expounding upon being the "leader" of the band, I think, and goes into a long metaphorical spiel about being in line for the Fair, and not having any $ to get in, and your buddy springs for you, and you never pay him back. It took him 5 minutes, but that's about all he said. It never really hit home.

Just say it already.


I'm almost 110% sure that was meant to be a joke.


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Has anyone considered that the Say Hi To Your Mom guy wrote the review?


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i liked the letter. i second the cute and stupid comment.

i also like say hi to your mom. he's a good songwriter and is personal with his audience. decent disc.

the review seems like such a swift brush-off, imo.


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I read the letter but it just comes off as whiny and seems like one of those stupid reviews that Pitchfork is known for. So I guess he should write for Pitchfork...

Also, while I like silly song titles (Liars, Outhud), his just aren't that good.

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