without getting sucked into this debate (which i'm not really sure consists of anymore), do you really think nobody should be offended by usage of the term "spade"? I mean, it's your right to use it all day long, but to get so defensive about someone being offended by it is just backwards. the lastwordism on this board has gotten totally outta control. I think we should have a "no argument can spill out" clause, because this is in like 8 threads right now.

Greg Dulli worships her... good enough for me....


Signed, Cracker Whitey.

Senator, the rapid proliferation of ad hominem in your posts is a testament to your cool-headed reasoning.

Though you may assume (that's you assuming this time), that I was calling Busty a racist because I implied that his comment was racist, that too is a leap over logic. I am well aware that haphazardly attaching labels to people in any case is not constructive, and I tried to explain my skepticism as to Busty's comment. You continue to insist that I called him out because I'm extremely sensitive to racial issues, but that is just not the case. I called him out because, whether he intended it or not, his post can very easily be construed as racist.

You say that if I had understood the context of his "she sounds like a black man who was just released from prison" comment then I would understand that it was not. But I'm looking at the context: he provided none. He gave a thumbs-down to her re-appearance and made the crack, without the slightest explanation. You apparently are referring to the context that exists between you, Yail, and Busty, which doesn't surprise me because you consistently assume that if those two know what you're talking about, you're in the clear and no further justification is needed. That's fine, I guess, but do you not see that if you post something to a community of 400 people and only 3 know the context for why it's "not racist" (which you still haven't really adequately explained), you are asking to be misunderstood? Despite this obvious fact, you continue to insist that if people don't like what you're saying, it's their fault. But it is in fact your fault if people don't understand you when you're blusteringly loudly to the general public in your local vernacular.

I'm not surprised that you think I called Busty out on this because he's from Georgia. If I thought it would help, I would point out that I never took part in the South-bashing that was rampant during the elections, but I do not think it will change your mind.

Again I say, call your closest black friend a "spade" and explain the Keith Richards reference - he'll think it's hilarious.

But I do hate women and minorities, especially women who are minorities.

Get a fucking clue HACK!

No, I didn't know about that supposed comment that she made about white people. Because I DON"T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT LAURYN HILL!

Listen, person I hope gets cancer the day before a loved one's wedding, I am not a racist. I was just spouting off a line that has been said MANY times by white AND BLACK comedians alike.

Now go get your fucking shine box.

A wise man once said, "if you didn't give a fuck about it, you wouldn't be posting about it."

I'll let you know about the cancer.

As long as everyonhe's talking race....I love this web site...

http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/

Of course it's racist. I can also understand why black comedians have sometimes been given a free pass where white comedians would be grilled for this - for the same reason that commies like the good Senator instituted affirmative action during the 70's: it's just maybe fair to make a few allowances for awhile. I hope it doesn't continue this way forever, because it causes white people to be ashamed of something they can't help, just as stereotype any race can cause the same.

Is it possible for Busty to give himself a Busty slap?

I wasn't baiting, Haq. It was a honest question. I think the line of comedy and racisim is a fine line for sure. Sometimes I think we need to be able to laugh at ourselves, but the line is easily crossed.

My thoughts and opinions have not been reasoned enought to participate in this arugment because they'd be picked to shreds.

Liked that one huh?

I know, I appreciate it.

How about just understanding that you were off base with your comment and that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?

Oh, and I hope you let me know about it VERY soon. Maybe then you'll stop draining the funny out of everything you touch.

I'll trade you funny for intelligence and subtlety. Deal?

I nearly had the energy to do more than just skim this thread, but it's not really worth it, is it?

-Phil

np: The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill

Damn that's a good album.

One day when obner crashes and we're all on another board, I think most we'll refer to this as the glory days.

"This new board sucks, remember all those great threads we used to have on Obner?"

ROTFL on the busty comment, cos dat funny. (AGAIN, HYPERBOLE PEOPLE)

So, haq, what you are saying is that it is legitimate for you to make assumptions, but not me. OK, cool. But let's have one set of rules for all of us, not one for you and one for the rest of the obs.

I said it wasn't fucking racist because I don't go around seeing injustice everywhere, like some people. Jesus Haq.

You laid out a fucking 4 bullet point thesis on his motivations, yet you aren't inferring he is racist? Yes, I sometimes feel that if Busty and Yail get it, no one else matters, but I figured after almost 4000 posts, which despite the protestations of many, I KNOW YOU PEOPLE READ, you would start to get a clue. Isn't one of the sections on the LSAT I'm bound to fail about READING COMPREHENSION?

And, you may have refrained from election-time South bashing, but through many of your posts I have gained some knowledge of what your thought process is.

Anyway, since Busty has admitted he hates women, minorities and women who are minorities, I guess I am in the wrong. He's a fucking Klansman, and I know cos I'm the Grand Wizard.

Now I want you to stand there, in your faggotty white uniform, and with your Harvard mouth extend me some fucking courtesy. I'm a reasonable man, Lieutenant, but its this fucking heat..sometimes it gets to me.

Nope.




Enjoy!

i agree, any art form puts itself up for that critique.

i think it manifests in comedy especially, because many forms demand immediate response.

a comedian may make a racist joke. on it's face, is it racist? if it is, does the fact that its racist heighten or lower its hilarity?

is it possible to say racist jokes without being racist?

is laughing "at ourselves" compromised when its one race being singled out?

if a comedian is racist and makes racist jokes, is ok to laugh? if a comedian isn't really racist but make racist jokes, is it even more ok? if people don't laugh at a funny racist joke, are they morons?

does racist humor innately permeate society in its original humorous form or does it warp into prejudice, discrimination, etc.?

racial and racist humor it puts a lot of pressure on one's audience, to decide then and there to laugh, to play it off, or to be offended, or to be indifferent. it's even more difficult if a joke isn't really that funny.

If that ain't signature material

I'll tell you one thing man, I'd rather be on here and having HACK call me a racist than the board being like it has been for a little while now, BORING!

But maybe that's just me.

NO, I fully agree. Best thread in a long time. I wouldn't be racking up posts, wasting time, and risking unemployment for one big circle jerk.

Senator, I didn't say it's legitimate for me to make assumptions and not for you. We all make assumptions (you could call them inferences). I attempted to give a reasoned explanation of my assumptions, while you resort to the aegis that you use hyperbole. You think we don't know you exhaggerate, I guess. It's obvious that you do, I'm just challenging the kernal of honesty at the base of that hyperbole, but you come back with more insults and maxims. Challenge my inferences if you'd like - I'm trying to have the open exchange of ideas you say you want so much.

Just because you don't see injustice everywhere does not mean injustice does not exist in some places.



A clue that it's not racist to call someone a spade? Show me the post where this became obvious, and I'll take a look.

The last time someone demanded courtesy from me when they had extended me none, I was arguing with a stubborn Southern woman about the value of a debutante ball. I respectfully declined her demand that I sit down and shut up, and I respectfully decline yours.

want me to YSI it to you? It's rillyrillyrilly good!

wait... haq's gay?

and what's this about using his mouth to extend you?

I believe I showed you as much courtesy as you have showed me. I am still and elected official around these parts, so I thank you for at least referring to be my honorary, kind sir.

It is quite possible to call someone a spade and not be racist, I believe Chris explained his reasoning. I do think most people would THINK it was racist if used, but as you well know, I think most people are morons.

I think I gave a reasoned explanation of why your reasoned explanation was wrong. No one is shouting anyone down, as you so often accuse me of doing. I am having a reasonable debate here, and I believe you fired the first volley fo real insult by questioning my test taking ability.