The MP3 Thread

Dick Meatwood · **Posted:** Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:55 pm

HaqDiesel Wrote:

Well, from a strict constructionist viewpoint, defining "legit" as "legitimate," i.e. "within the bounds of law," filesharing is clearly not legit. As for whether you should feel ok with civil disobedience depends to me on why/how you do it. If you are downloading stuff, keeping it and never buying it if you like it, I'd say that you really don't have much cause to feel righteous. If you're buying the stuff you like and deleting the rest, I think you're doing fine.

I agree except for the "deleting the rest" part. Sometimes it's good to have bad music on hand, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay for it.

Old Kentucky · **Posted:** Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:41 pm

RolledMeat Wrote:

How about this: I download an album by someone I've never heard of. I think it's great, so I go and buy a different album (or two) by the same artist. At the same time, I recommend this artist to several friends, some of whom purchase their own copies.

In that scenario, it seems to me like the artist benefited from me downloading their album, even though I didn't purchase my own original copy.

Is that totally illegitimate?

If I like something I download, I reccommend it to as many peeps as I can think of that would like it. I will also probably go see them live. I'm a lot more likely to go out and see their show than go out and buy the album all over again. Still, If you take a band like Autolux, who I downloaded on a whim and now give more publicity to than you can shake a lawsuit at, I think that I'm doing them a lot greater service than the 15 bucks, of which they may have gotten $1, would have done.

That being said, the vast majority of downloading I do is to REPLACE CDs that have been lost, stolen, or scratched. CDs suck. long live the ipod, harddrive, et al.

south pacific · **Posted:** Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:48 pm

Old Kentucky · **Posted:** Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:02 pm

totally

saint · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:28 pm **Posts:** 4271

ahem, getting back to the original thread topic:

http://neatpeople.co.uk/songs/music/PhilipaFuture.mp3

great track.

legonads · **Posted:** Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:23 am

Old Kentucky Wrote:

Maybe this is a good time to get some thoughts on this. What's YOUR justification for why file sharing music is legit or no? (Directed toward no one in perticular).

I just supported keeping this thread (and maybe the board in general) YSI-free is to encourage people to download songs provided by bands and labels for download.

There's got to be lots of great music out there that can be legally shared, and those providing it should be rewarded with exposure.

Dusty Chalk · **Posted:** Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:09 am

http://www.webhamster.com/webhamster.wav

MiceElf · **Posted:** Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:36 pm

I'm not making a statement on filing sharing or the usefulness of You Send It...what I wanted to do was make a thread in which we could share links to mp3s on artist sites. It gives you a chance to hopefully hear new music and also you can learn about the artist.

I'll try again:

Andrew Morgan - This Awful Room
http://www.andrew-morgan.com/flash/mp3/06.mp3

Looking forward to hearing some of y'alls?!

(post script: most small indie artists are including mp3s on their sites just for this purpose...I'm buying most of my music these days after learning about these artsts from their sites--huzzah!)

MiceElf · **Posted:** Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:51 pm

Wolf Parade - You Are a Runner and I Am My Father's Son

http://subpop.dev.slam.cc/downloads/fre ... ner325.mp3

Wolf Parade
Apologies to the Queen Mary
SP# 0655
To be released:
2005-09-27
Mediums: CD LP

zeke the moody drifter · **Joined:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:24 pm **Posts:** 557

andrew bird - a nervous tic motion to the left

http://ekonomiskmgmt.com/audio/andrew_b ... us_Tic.mp3

Dalen · **Posted:** Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:57 pm

MiceElf Wrote:

Wolf Parade - You Are a Runner and I Am My Father's Son

http://subpop.dev.slam.cc/downloads/fre ... ner325.mp3

Wolf Parade
Apologies to the Queen Mary
SP# 0655
To be released:
2005-09-27
Mediums: CD LP

full album was posted a few weeks ago...via YSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MiceElf · **Posted:** Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:33 pm

Dalen Wrote:

full album was posted a few weeks ago...via YSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOH! well...i wasn't here then so i didn't know and YSI are only limited links. i've heard two songs from the upcoming album and will be making a purchase in the fall (unless i fall into worse debt).

MiceElf · **Posted:** Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:03 pm

The Teeth - Peter Goes to 43rd Street

http://www.theteeth.net/mp3/02_Peter_Go ... 3rd_St.mp3

Dusty Chalk · **Posted:** Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:24 am

How about a link to a video? Joseph Arthur used to have an MP3 on his website for "All of Our Hands", but unfortunately, it's gone.

Here's a page with a link to the video

MiceElf · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:44 pm

Cotton Mather - 40 Watt Solution

http://www.rainbowquartz.com/mp3/rqtz061_1.mp3[/url]

tehobner · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:48 pm **Posts:** 4479

http://www.swinggitan.com/mp3/litos_place.mp3

some django reinhardt type shit

Elvis Fu · **Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:18 pm

lesemajesty Wrote:

i've read in countless interviews, (with small label band, indie bands, bands that would otherwise not get any real commercial exposure) that they benefit greatly from file sharing. Sometimes people want to hear something they read about ona n ezine and they dont feel like buy it through the net. so they download a song or a few or hell, the whole album. That will inturn casue that same person to spread word of said band. That person will eventually go to a concert which will actually put real money in the pocket of a band. The larger bands that complain are so fucking rich anyways it doesn't matter. Fuck'em when your "art" mean revenue to you only, then it's as free-for-all. i dont feel bad about file-sharing becasue i spend money weekly on cds

It's the band's decision to share their output free of charge, not yours. If you get it with the bands blessing, great. If not, then you are shitting on the same band you claim to help. If something has value, you should pay for it.

lesemajesty Wrote:

The larger bands that complain are so fucking rich anyways it doesn't matter. Fuck'em when your "art" mean revenue to you only, then it's as free-for-all.

So GM should just give cars away for free, since you have determined that they have made enough money? Or J.K. Rowling should just drop off the newest book at your door, since she's made enough cash?

zeke the moody drifter · **Joined:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:24 pm **Posts:** 557

Elvis Fu Wrote:

lesemajesty Wrote:

i've read in countless interviews, (with small label band, indie bands, bands that would otherwise not get any real commercial exposure) that they benefit greatly from file sharing. Sometimes people want to hear something they read about ona n ezine and they dont feel like buy it through the net. so they download a song or a few or hell, the whole album. That will inturn casue that same person to spread word of said band. That person will eventually go to a concert which will actually put real money in the pocket of a band. The larger bands that complain are so fucking rich anyways it doesn't matter. Fuck'em when your "art" mean revenue to you only, then it's as free-for-all. i dont feel bad about file-sharing becasue i spend money weekly on cds

It's the band's decision to share their output free of charge, not yours. If you get it with the bands blessing, great. If not, then you are shitting on the same band you claim to help. If something has value, you should pay for it.

lesemajesty Wrote:

The larger bands that complain are so fucking rich anyways it doesn't matter. Fuck'em when your "art" mean revenue to you only, then it's as free-for-all.

So GM should just give cars away for free, since you have determined that they have made enough money? Or J.K. Rowling should just drop off the newest book at your door, since she's made enough cash?

'Value,' in this context, is clearly subjective. From a theoretical standpoint, shouldn't it be me who decides whether something is of value, not the producer. Sure he can charge a price but it will be the consumer at the end of the day who decides whether or not to buy. From a market standpoint obviously people have decided that they want to steal music, and this is the apparent risk with being a recording artist.

I secede to your point about GM or Rowlings. No, there is no justification for expecting a handout from both, but my point was never file sharing is morally righteous. My point was that small bands who make next to nothing from recording an album benefit from file-sharing. Bands make money of touring and merchandise at shows not from selling 50,000 copies of their record. After they split amongst band member, pay for studio time and pay back the label for any loans that may have accrued, that doesn't leave much.

Dusty Chalk · **Posted:** Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:53 am

lesemajesty Wrote:

'Value,' in this context, is clearly subjective. From a theoretical standpoint, shouldn't it be me who decides whether something is of value, not the producer.

If you're harkening back to the barter days of commerce, the seller still has "veto" power -- I.E., they can reject your offer of a lower price.

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