Diggin' on your friggin' Aldo Nova records while stomping Wings? Makes perfect sense to me.

I don't care if it's logical to you or not, dear li'l latte sipper, comments like this are all the proof I need.

Or, shall I dig up the collective board's responses to the popularity of say Modest Mouse, The Strokes and Bright Eyes? Just to give 3 examples.

See my cardigan-sporting friend, you don't need proof when ya got charm

Seems there's a bunch of people who loved Def Leppard back when they were twelve years old. So how about including a list of all the movies, books, and TV shows you liked back then too - because I'm sure they're all equally great.

And anybody who doesn't hear Bon Jovi in Def Lep is fooling themselves. It'll be much easier on your heart and happiness if you just admit YOU LIKED SHITTY HAIR METAL and you were THEM in the late '80s.

I'm not saying that everybody doesn't like the strokes because they are popular, but c'mon it's no secret that in general in this circle popular = the suck. You can throw out all the fancy reasoning and intelligent speak you want, but I'll always believe that. It's kind of like the old cliche that no quaterback is as good as the back- up in the minds of the fans.

And I have no love for Def Leppard unless I'm drunk and LSU just won the Sugar Bowl. In that case Pour Some Sugar is the greatest song in the history of rock.

I don't care for Def Leppard or Bon Jovi. Would I change the station if one of their songs came on? Maybe, maybe not. Do I own any of their albums? No. Do I remember singing along to "Pour Some Sugar on Me" while a teenager? Of course.

btw, I saw the video for "Foolin'" on VH1 Classic this past weekend, and the first thing I thought of was obner. Christ.

any music that i hate, i usually end up liking.
i tend to only be bored by things or not "get" the hype.

it's not often i hate music.

I know you will. And that's frustrating for me because you're wrong. You're taking a stereotype of some fictional "indie set" and applying it to a group of people with diverse tastes and pretending it's an observation. For example, pick one person here you would say consistently dislikes indie bands which become popular. Just one. I've clearly been accused of this numerous times, and yet I like the Strokes, Spoon, the Decemberists, and plenty others who are among the most popular "indie" bands. But maybe there's someone more typical of this attitude out there?

All you're doing is noting that popular bands (read: bands more people have heard/been obliged to take notice of) generate more commentary from people who both like and dislike the album.

hey whiney, i hate the ying-yang twins.

I've never understood the argument though. How is it that listeners could have or should have been listening to this particular band instead of another. Aside from 'Fantasy', most people have never heard Aldo Nova. Why haven't they? He kept releasing music in the 80s..so why didn't it catch fire, like Pyromania or Hysteria did? I mean, aside from snide comments that people are retarded sheep and have shitty taste, of course.

For pop-metal, of which Aldo Nova and Def Leppard are a part of, people obviously prefer Def Leppard because the songs are catchier. They could have listened to Aldo Nova, but they like Def Lep more. And that's what they should have been listening to.

I think you're making unfounded assumptions about me. I have lots of respect for lots of posters here, and I do believe in general that most here have sincere taste in music. At the same I think you are suffering from closeness coloring your perspective. If you ask people if congress is a bunch of sleezeballs, they'll say yes. If you ask them if they're congressman is a sleezeball, generally they'll say no. I think because you've formed a relationship with obners through this board, you've allowed it to color your perception of us. Am I contridicting myself here? Absolutely. I guess what I'm trying to say is no universal truth exists. I can't claim to know everyone intentions, and therefore I'll never single any member out. I still believe that in general, we are more indie than most here will ever admit.

I cited one, Billzebub...and he may never have liked Modest Mouse, but his disdain for them definitely grew in proportion to their popularity.

Just because you don't want to admit to yourself that you do this Haq, doesn't mean all yer fancy law talkin; in going to convince us its not true.

is a cardigan like a sweater vest minus the sleeves and a few buttons?
couldn't resist

I've always admitted that, omit shitty. You're just doing what people are arguing that we don't do.

12- Tolkien, Stephen King.
Welcome Back Kotter, Happy Days, M*A*S*H.

All as "shitty" as my hair metal.

Touche, Dear Laura.

I would say they are similar in that they are both made from similar material, but that's like saying my finely taylor Paul Astor* shirts are the same as a Dickies work shirt from Wal Mart

*not that I actually own a Paul Astor

Exactly. That's a shitty list of shit with an extra topping of shit.

Right, I should admit it, but of course your generalizations about everyone in the whole world do not apply to yourself.

And Billzebub? That's all you've got? He just doesn't like new (or new-sounding) music. You'll never single anyone out, bulee, because you're wrong. It's easy to make a generalization like that, but it's hard to provide any support when you're wrong.




come on dude. at least i'll name who i'm making assumptions about.

Just because I can't prove something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. No one will ever admit to it if it's true. Proving intentions is damn near impossible. Sorry but I can still be right.

Haq, name a popular band who's musical perception here has increased as they got more popular at the mainstream level.

So, I've provided proof, but you are denying my expert witness?

are we gonna judge this on law and facts or just put or finger in the air and see which way the wind blows.

Hell, just about the only person you CAN'T say this about is Borg.

What about the kid from Canada that hates the Beatles cos he doesn't like their fans or their accents?

proof, right.

i'm just saying, the tastes of this board generally run toward the most popular of popular indie music, so it's just ridiculous to say popularity = less popularity here.

Ok, AGAIN, to reiterate for those who cannot read:
I cited 2 examples. You refuted 1, and say nothing of the other.

There is an EASY arc to almost all new or emerging bands on this board:
Someone reads something somewhere about them
Dalen, through the magic of internets and blow jobs acquires their music
Some people like it
Some people ignore it
1342525 WRENS WRENS WRENS WRENS threads are started
Pitchfork writes em up
Backlash begins

Its like clockwork.

I'd bet 500 dollars that if the Arcade Fire's new cd makes waves on the mainstream charts, their ranking on the Shmoo polll goes down.

I also bet that the Decemberist ranking in the Shmoo has decreased with each release.

Haq, I don't think you've "proved" you're point. Where are these beloved mainstream bands here. Proof through discrediting huh?

You could tell the same story this way:

New band emerges
The people who seek out this type of band listen, and most like them
They get written up a lot
The people who wouldn't go out of their way to hear this kind of music now give it a shot because so many people are talking about it
They listen. They still don't like this kind of music.
There are a bunch of threads, and they're of the impression that negative comments are also welcomed, so they give their opinion.
They're accused of backlash.

And your example 2 doesn't illustrate your point. I don't like the accents or fans of Norwegian metal, but it's not even popular.

that has nothing to do with how they finish in the Shmoo poll. What bands have improved their finish as they've gotten more popular?