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So, why didn't Ys even touch this list?


'cause it sounds like a goat getting fucked by goatherd?


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I had one on my top 20 make it, so my lack of ih cred is intact.

Willie Nile was still the best fucking album of the year.


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The most amazing facet of this album is not the thick soundscapes, the layers of noise, or the monotonous chain gang sense of rhythm, it's how unrelentingly mediocre it is, without a single melody managing to distinguish itself from any other and instead blending into an undifferentiated sonic soup.


Thank you for having the ability to articulate what I felt but couldn't articulate b/c I'm a dumb shit.

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So, why didn't Ys even touch this list?


'cause it sounds like a goat getting fucked by goatherd?


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Ys is for all those people who actually read and enjoyed the songs in Lord of the Rings...

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I think the only one I had on my top 20 list was Band Of Horses.

Anyone got a recap of what the top 20 was?


Shmoo's gonna post it all tomorrow. But in the meantime you can search for "2006 Shmoo Poll Results" and all 7 threads will come up.


Yep, Band Of Horses it was.

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2. The Hold Steady – Boys and Girls in America
5. Yo La Tengo – I am not afraid of you And I Will….
17. Thom Yorke – The Eraser
18. Destroyer – Destroyer’s Rubies
19. Belle and Sebastian – The Life Pursuit

Glaring ommisions: Grizzly Bear, Mogwai, Califone, Sonic Youth, Dylan

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Ys is for all those people who actually read and enjoyed the songs in Lord of the Rings...


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Am I the only person here that dislikes Neko Case, and in particular, her voice?


Not just here, but probably anywhere. How can you not like that voice, TCB? Especially a fan of classic C&W like yourself! Sometimes this world just doesn't make sense to me.


After giving it some thought, I think my main problem is that her voice isn't that spectacular on it's own and has absolutely zero personality. Granted, I haven't listened to much Neko solo at all, because I haven't heard anything that I've enjoyed.

I'd much rather listen to vocalists like Doris Duke, Lucinda Williams or Mary Gauthier, who aren't necessarily stunning, but bring so much more with their words. Neko reminds me of Dick Gephardt trying to make an emotional speech.

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Glaring ommisions: Grizzly Bear, Mogwai, Califone, Sonic Youth, Dylan


I was genuinely disappointed that neither Clipse nor Grizzly Bear made it. I thought they had a chance. I didn't really expect Califone to make it, but that would've been cool.

I'm not surprised at all that Ys didn't make it. The whole love/hate divide with everybody was kind of lost on me, though. I thought it was a good album, but I didn't find myself wanting to listen to it all that often. When I did, I enjoyed it, and I would think her voice is a lot more palatable than it used to be (though I never had a problem with it so I obviously wouldn't know). But who am I kidding? Joanna Newsom = ELF!!!!! OMG!!!!! LOL@myself!!!!!!!! Somebody post that Dark Crystal picture next to J. Newsom ASAP!!! I've only seen that 2764 times already!!!!

Oh, and I don't really like Neko Case either. Still haven't bothered to listen to Fox Confessor, but I doubt it's any huge departure from her old stuff.


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shmoo, will you include # of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place votes received with the full list? that would be awesome.


No, because I had to do it manually just now with ctrl-F.


ctrl-f that shit baby!!! mlb mvp style! how about just first place votes? elevate the poll shmoo baby!


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Am I the only person here that dislikes Neko Case, and in particular, her voice?


Not just here, but probably anywhere. How can you not like that voice, TCB? Especially a fan of classic C&W like yourself! Sometimes this world just doesn't make sense to me.


After giving it some thought, I think my main problem is that her voice isn't that spectacular on it's own and has absolutely zero personality. Granted, I haven't listened to much Neko solo at all, because I haven't heard anything that I've enjoyed.

I'd much rather listen to vocalists like Doris Duke, Lucinda Williams or Mary Gauthier, who aren't necessarily stunning, but bring so much more with their words. Neko reminds me of Dick Gephardt trying to make an emotional speech.


Do me a favor fu and listen to running out of fools on blacklisted.

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Am I the only person here that dislikes Neko Case, and in particular, her voice?


Not just here, but probably anywhere. How can you not like that voice, TCB? Especially a fan of classic C&W like yourself! Sometimes this world just doesn't make sense to me.


After giving it some thought, I think my main problem is that her voice isn't that spectacular on it's own and has absolutely zero personality. Granted, I haven't listened to much Neko solo at all, because I haven't heard anything that I've enjoyed.

I'd much rather listen to vocalists like Doris Duke, Lucinda Williams or Mary Gauthier, who aren't necessarily stunning, but bring so much more with their words. Neko reminds me of Dick Gephardt trying to make an emotional speech.


Do me a favor fu and listen to running out of fools on blacklisted.


Good call Phil. This "Neko's pedestrian voice" nonsense baffles me. I couldn't disagree more.


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The Dreaded Marco Wrote:
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Am I the only person here that dislikes Neko Case, and in particular, her voice?


Not just here, but probably anywhere. How can you not like that voice, TCB? Especially a fan of classic C&W like yourself! Sometimes this world just doesn't make sense to me.


After giving it some thought, I think my main problem is that her voice isn't that spectacular on it's own and has absolutely zero personality. Granted, I haven't listened to much Neko solo at all, because I haven't heard anything that I've enjoyed.

I'd much rather listen to vocalists like Doris Duke, Lucinda Williams or Mary Gauthier, who aren't necessarily stunning, but bring so much more with their words. Neko reminds me of Dick Gephardt trying to make an emotional speech.


Do me a favor fu and listen to running out of fools on blacklisted.


Good call Phil. This "Neko's pedestrian voice" nonsense baffles me. I couldn't disagree more.


I know when it comes to alot of the music that is listened to around here, i make snap judgements on little information, as I'm sure alot of us do. Anyhow, yeah, what you said about what I said. I don't talk about music alot here, but when i do, I mean it.

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This "Neko's pedestrian voice" nonsense baffles me. I couldn't disagree more.


I like her... but I get why some have a hard time. Her voice has a shiny surface, and there's a calculation in her technique... at least in her solo work. Nina Nastasia or Lucinda Williams seem in the same vein, but more raggedly attractive. In her perfection, Neko reminds me of mid-period Linda Ronstadt, when I keep hoping for Patsy Cline.

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This "Neko's pedestrian voice" nonsense baffles me. I couldn't disagree more.


I like her... but I get why some have a hard time. Her voice has a shiny surface, and there's a calculation in her technique... at least in her solo work. Nina Nastasia or Lucinda Williams seem in the same vein, but more raggedly attractive. In her perfection, Neko reminds me of mid-period Linda Ronstadt, when I keep hoping for Patsy Cline.


I can hear what you mean, and obviously she's no Patsy Cline, but I think she's much, much closer to Patsy than Ronstadt.


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she sings good and writes good songs.

my review.

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wow, I don't think that I've listened to any of the cds on the list, I feel really out of touch. Myabe it's time to start buying new cds again as oposed to mostly only buying cds from the 80's and 90's.

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This "Neko's pedestrian voice" nonsense baffles me. I couldn't disagree more.


I like her... but I get why some have a hard time. Her voice has a shiny surface, and there's a calculation in her technique... at least in her solo work. Nina Nastasia or Lucinda Williams seem in the same vein, but more raggedly attractive. In her perfection, Neko reminds me of mid-period Linda Ronstadt, when I keep hoping for Patsy Cline.


I was fairly "meh" after the first two listens of that album. Nothing stuck, and her voice didn't overwhelm me. I'd heard "country-ish" albums like this before.

And then I put it in headphones while driving around PoetLand this summer, and one song broke through... Star Witness (track 2). That chorus, with those layers, just absolutely broke my heart it was so beautiful. Thinking about it makes my leg hair stand up. Once that was in the door, it quickly snuck the rest of the album in after it. I literally started a ride one day not caring about the album, and finished thinking it was pretty goddam good. Talking to Ayah about relationships one night, I caught myself thinking of Teenage Feeling, and how appropriate the lyrics were for the frustration she was describing. It just fit so well with my summer, I guess, and perhaps I give her too much credit for what ammounts to just good timing. Perhaps not.

More specifically, I enjoy the little mistakes on it. I like how the guitarist gets ahead of the beat for a few seconds on That Teenage Feeling (1:30). I like how she occasionally pushes a note sharp, and left it in. I like the level of playing on the whole work - competent, solid, a little dirty around the edges, and never anything approaching "slick." I like how, in the vocal intro to John Saw That Number, all the accumulated background noise of what I count to be 4 vocal tracks is left in, creating a subtle whoosh of noise at the track's start that any self-respecting studio engineer would normally crush with the quickness.

It would seem to me that this album was aiming to be a personal, feeling, emotional album... confessional, apologetic, less than arm's length. Little "mistakes" like these go a surprisingly long way towards that end. It makes the songs feel lived-in. Compared to something that's been produced and polished to a high shine, Fox Confessor is a hot chick in no makeup and a flannel shirt that makes every other girl in the place look like dog shit.

I just scrolled up and realized I've been rambling. Apologies - I really liked this, and I didn't feel like the blurbs went into any real depth about how it sounds or feels, though maybe nobody's curious anyway.

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This "Neko's pedestrian voice" nonsense baffles me. I couldn't disagree more.


I like her... but I get why some have a hard time. Her voice has a shiny surface, and there's a calculation in her technique... at least in her solo work. Nina Nastasia or Lucinda Williams seem in the same vein, but more raggedly attractive. In her perfection, Neko reminds me of mid-period Linda Ronstadt, when I keep hoping for Patsy Cline.


I was fairly "meh" after the first two listens of that album. Nothing stuck, and her voice didn't overwhelm me. I'd heard "country-ish" albums like this before.

And then I put it in headphones while driving around PoetLand this summer, and one song broke through... Star Witness (track 2). That chorus, with those layers, just absolutely broke my heart it was so beautiful. Thinking about it makes my leg hair stand up. Once that was in the door, it quickly snuck the rest of the album in after it. I literally started a ride one day not caring about the album, and finished thinking it was pretty goddam good. Talking to Ayah about relationships one night, I caught myself thinking of Teenage Feeling, and how appropriate the lyrics were for the frustration she was describing. It just fit so well with my summer, I guess, and perhaps I give her too much credit for what ammounts to just good timing. Perhaps not.

More specifically, I enjoy the little mistakes on it. I like how the guitarist gets ahead of the beat for a few seconds on That Teenage Feeling (1:30). I like how she occasionally pushes a note sharp, and left it in. I like the level of playing on the whole work - competent, solid, a little dirty around the edges, and never anything approaching "slick." I like how, in the vocal intro to John Saw That Number, all the accumulated background noise of what I count to be 4 vocal tracks is left in, creating a subtle whoosh of noise at the track's start that any self-respecting studio engineer would normally crush with the quickness.

It would seem to me that this album was aiming to be a personal, feeling, emotional album... confessional, apologetic, less than arm's length. Little "mistakes" like these go a surprisingly long way towards that end. It makes the songs feel lived-in. Compared to something that's been produced and polished to a high shine, Fox Confessor is a hot chick in no makeup and a flannel shirt that makes every other girl in the place look like dog shit.

I just scrolled up and realized I've been rambling. Apologies - I really liked this, and I didn't feel like the blurbs went into any real depth about how it sounds or feels, though maybe nobody's curious anyway.



Well said cap'n.

I seem to remember an interview with Neko from a year or two ago (maybe on Pfork?) in which she made the point that she doesn't use any production equipment or techniques to clean up her voice on her albums, and she chastized a few more well known singers for doing so (Celine Dion was one of them, I believe).


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I think pretty much everybody uses Autotune (see: Prince Of Darkness posts, once upon a time) to some degree or other. And even excluding pitch-correcting gear, this album barely has any noise reduction. It's more of a snapshot, with harmonies.

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It would seem to me that this album was aiming to be a personal, feeling, emotional album... confessional, apologetic, less than arm's length. Little "mistakes" like these go a surprisingly long way towards that end. It makes the songs feel lived-in. Compared to something that's been produced and polished to a high shine, Fox Confessor is a hot chick in no makeup and a flannel shirt that makes every other girl in the place look like dog shit.



Although I'd like to speak up for the girls who look like dog shit, you've written beautifully about Fox... and addressed my concern, that it's too polished. I'll put the headphones on and wait to hear the mistakes, and see if the hair on legs do anything.

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Thanks Harry. Hope it rewards you like it did me.

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So, can someone please gather this list together so we can see all at once how fucking middle of the road it is?


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Hopefully shmoo is going to post the full list soon.


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But until then:

1. Belle & Sebastian - The Life Pursuit
2. TV on the Radio - Return to Cookie Mountain
3. Neko Case - Fox Confessor Brings the Flood
4. The Decemberists - The Crane Wife
5. M. Ward - Post-War
6. The Hold Steady - Boys and Girls in America
7. Built to Spill - You in Reverse
8. Band of Horses - Everything All the Time
9. Drive-By Truckers - A Blessing and a Curse
10. Destroyer - Destroyer's Rubies
11. Cat Power - The Greatest
12. Liars - Drum's Not Dead
13. The Brother Kite - Waiting for the Time to Be Right
14. Yo La Tengo - I Am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass
15. Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out of This Country
16a. Junior Boys - So This Is Goodbye
16b. Thom Yorke - The Eraser
18. The Strokes - First Impressions of Earth
19a. Silversun Pickups - Carnavas
19b. The Format - Dog Problems
19c. The Thermals - The Body, the Blood, the Machine


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