The point being you think she's both retarded looking and retarded sounding.

That point I understand.

i love lindsay lohan's "ultimate".

Oh god this just had me laughing like nothing else.

I love you for this one ayah.

Count me in on the camp that can't find anything remotely exciting or interesting about her. Her voice alone makes me want to kill myself.

Well those are certainly valid reasons for liking or not liking something, but I don't think those are points that are really worth hammering home every time someone brings up Joanna Newsom. For one thing, the whole image deal is obviously a totally subjective thing. Also, just because I like an artist's music doesn't mean I'm identifying myself with their image. I'd like to think that what I listen to has very little to do with adopting some projected image. In some cases I'm definitely drawn to a musicians aesthetic, from the way they dress to their album covers. Other times I like them in spite of it. Ultimately it's a peripheral factor that usually isn't a make-or-break for me. It may be for other people, and that's cool. I just don't think we all need to hear about it over and over and over and over and over and over.

By now I think most of us know who likes Joanna Newsom and who doesn't. A lot of you who don't seem bent on somehow discrediting her, but if you want to do that, you'll have to pick some issues with a lot more substance.

This would be perfectly adequate if everyone's criticisms were honest, but they're not. Tanner (who, by the way, brought Dylan comparisons into the conversation) led off with a weak crack at her lyrics, but the fact is they're just not any worse than most of the bands that fell out of Neil Young's ass and get love from he and his homies. Ayah points out that she will be forgotten in 5 years, but boy does she love those Pipettes (and I like them too, but they're pretty much the Spice Girls of indie rock).

If you don't like her, or you think she's ridiculous, fine. She's not universally likable and she's pretty ridiculous. But there's something way more than dislike of Joanna Newsom's music going on here, and it's just tedious to see you guys try to come up with legitimate names for it.

To the best of my recollection, my criticisms have stuck mostly to the "Uh, yeah, you guys can hoard as much of that as you want" variety.

I don't see that there's something more sinister than the dislike of her music. Her ridiculousness makes her a pretty slow-moving target. Anyone remember Candy Slice?

For the record, I wasn't really making a comparison to Dylan. I could have used Sheakespeare or anyone who writes "engaging lyrics" for that matter. You said her lyrics were a highlight and from what I've read they're pretty awful regardless of who fell out of who's ass. Feel free to post some of her better lyrics if you thought I was unfair.

But Drinky's point is well taken and I'm out of the Newsom discussion. I'm not sure what's going on more than Newsom dislike. I just thought Obner hasn't really had much musical discussion lately or I think that's why I joined the fray.

I could talk some more about Ian Anderson's awesome flute playing.

And why I like accordion.

That "might" be fun.

That's fine, but given that Dylan is generally considered the gold standard for lyricists, and Shakespeare the greatest poet of all time, you've got to admit that "X is no Dylan" is just fighting words.

I'm not going to quote other lyrics, even though there are plenty better, because I don't really think anybody whose cast their lot against Newsom is likely to give them a fair shake at this point.

Honestly, I'm not much of a Sufjan Stevens fan or a Decemberist fan (loved the first album and sold back the rest) but if you said that you liked them cause of the lyrics, I could see that. I just didn't see where you were coming from with Newsome having good lyrics.

Newsom lyric-quoting will not sway anyone. Because there are sorts of lyrics that will never be liked by some people.

I think they're inventive and unusual, expecially over the course of the narratives she's attempting. But what I think interesting lyrics someone else will call bullshit.

So, oh well.

I think we have officially discovered the defining dichotomy of the board, though in retrospect, we all could probably have successfully identified the two Obner camps long before Joanna Newsom did all the heavy lifting.

Well I'm with you there.

Gilda Radner's crowning achievement.

[quote="HaqDiesel} Ayah points out that she will be forgotten in 5 years, but boy does she love those Pipettes (and I like them too, but they're pretty much the Spice Girls of indie rock).[/quote]

i never proclaimed the pipetes to be anything other than derivative and fun and very disposable pop. i dig 'em. they're fun. i was surprised that anyone here even remotely liked them. they should never appear in the same room as ronnie spector unless they are there to worship her.

so what's your point?
you like joanna newsom and i don't.
okay.
just because i rail on her like an idiot doesn't mean that i'm on your case personally.

blah, blah, blah francis.

mod plz lock thread.

Drinky and Haq, you really should come over to our side. Srsly.

I personally can't even believe this argument is taking place. It's astounding to me that she and her music don't stand out here unanimously as some of the only widely accepted music of substance on our landscape.

That tidily sums up why her fans deserve the scorn.

You listen to shit.

What the hey, I'll take the extra point. Even though the game was already won in a walk.

This sums up three years of obner discourse pretty effectively. Should we just call it a day here?

It was a good read. Those are getting rare of late.

SHOCKING NEWS OUT OF MONTGOMERY: LOOGAR HATES NEWSOME!!

tedious? fey? elfin? Ish is right, obner SHOULD love this.

What instrument does Ting Ting La La play in the Y Street Band.

Also, the best thing about this thread is that it pretty much took off because Bob posted one of his MANY terrible puns.

That's what I was hoping, but Radcliffe wants more cushy points.