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meth doesn't create them, they exist and they choose meth.

let me ask you this, do you think if you intoxicate people with meth against their will you are going to create junkies because the drug is so powerfully addictive?


yes. and I do think the potential is there after one use. its a chemical/biological phenomenon that cannot be predicted. certainly an addictive personality is a factor when people get hooked on substances, but meth is about the scariest one because of how easy it is to get hooked, and how catastrophic it is to be hooked.


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you know how i know without a doubt that anti-ad's encourage kids to be curious . . .

the cigarette companies pay for anti-ads

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you know how i know without a doubt that anti-ad's encourage kids to be curious . . .

the cigarette companies pay for anti-ads


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"Handle his meth"

I love that phrase.

There's not much "handling" with this particular drug.

More like progressively fucking yourself up.


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Ahhh, but the tobacco companies pay for the anti-smoking ads because agreeing to do so got them off easy on the gazillion dollar lawsuits they were facing.


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"Handle his meth"

I love that phrase.

There's not much "handling" with this particular drug.

More like progressively fucking yourself up.


Believe me, I've seen this drug fuck up many, many people's lives but I've also seen many others who have been able to "handle" it. Its bad shit, lemme tell you, and I'm not advertising or bragging, but its definitely possible to use it recreationally.

Now, in order to want to use it at all, you've probably got something else wrong with you (a drinking problem or the inability to score something else is a good start) or are clearly hanging out with bad people.

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I suppose there are people who handle it. But to start on such a path when there are so many other drugs out there that don't turn you into Gollum, well I dunno why one would go down that path.

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The way to stop meth in this country is to impose the death penalty for possession with intent to distribute. Line 'em up against the wall of the lab and shoot 'em dead. Let 'em live if they give up the next guy up on the chain.


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I think the main thing is that you said you could do the drug once and walk away without any side effects. I believe Tentoze was just pointing out that what person has ever taken a drug with the intention of becoming a junkie.


there is a culture that surrounds each drug and a stereotypical user as well. in my own experience with drugs, people are trying out that culture and lifestyle as much as they are trying the effects of the drug.

i know plenty of people who have messed around with meth and i don't know a single person who went through any difficulty with it. i'm not saying it isn't potentially dangerous, but there have been junkies throughout history. meth doesn't create them, they exist and they choose meth.

let me ask you this, do you think if you intoxicate people with meth against their will you are going to create junkies because the drug is so powerfully addictive?


How did we not already go through this, and now you are just backing up what I said were arguing about earlier.

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If you smoke crack once, your life is over.



While I understand yr jest, I think the point is that it could potentially happen. I don't think that its a definite, but there certainly are cases in which it could rise to the level of horrid consequences. Also, how do you know how your body is going to react to a certain drug? How do you know you aren't predisposed to be an addict? Scare tactics? Sure. But the whole thing is to hopefully wake up even one kid from doing it.

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that's what i am saying. if you know one dude who can handle his meth, he invalidates the entire campaign. i was a kid in the 80s and i believed everything nancy regan said. as soon as i found out that there are people who can smoke pot recreationally without turning into full on horse heads, i figured everything else that creepy lady was selling was bullshit too.



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No, I disagree. One person does not invalidate it. Does one smoker not getting lung cancer invalidate that smoking could lead to it? No. The factors are there.

Pot and meth are two different animals. Also, you've said multiple times that you wouldn't do the drug. Why? If there is no harm and you don't think you'd get hooked then why wouldn't you? Probably because you have enough common sense not to. Obviously then, the commercials aren't targeting you.



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the reason i wouldn't do it has way more to do with the fact that i don't even like how caffeine makes me feel sometimes, so i don't see the appeal. also when it comes to this kind of thing, i prefer natural products over bizarre laberatory concoctions. that being said, i would guarantee you that if i were to try that drug, i would have no problem never doing it again. you can take that to the bank. and spare me your speech on physialogical addictive properties or the strength of the drug because i am a man of character and will so that shit can't touch me. i've heard it all before about shit that i have done and not cared about ever again, so i am not about to believe it.


I was arguing that people are sometimes already addicted to a drug and don't know it, or predisposed to it. You argued "spare me your speech on physialogical addictive properties". Huh? You say they exist. I mean, wouldn't existence cover what I said?

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you know how i know without a doubt that anti-ad's encourage kids to be curious . . .

the cigarette companies pay for anti-ads


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please. tobacco companies have to pay for those ads as part of the settlement.


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per obner's suggestion, i trie dsome meth tongiht. i iwll report back soon to let you know if i am strung out.

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Why is it that the ones who actually turn into full-blown meth junkies are fucking dicks to begin with?

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I don't want to start an arguement here with anyone but I have a hard time believing that anyone could handle crystal meth "recreationally" on a regular basis and not become addicted. Shit is hard core.


When I did my psych rotation at a local hospital here I was shocked to find that 50%+ of all the inpatients were meth addicts. In Hawaii, crystal meth is a HUGE problem now.

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I don't want to start an arguement here with anyone but I have a hard time believing that anyone could handle crystal meth "recreationally" on a regular basis and not become addicted. Shit is hard core.


too late, see page 1 :lol:

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Leon isn't Paranoid Wrote:
I think that it's easier to convince someone to do something rather than to convice someone not to do something. Commercials sell something, anti-commercials takes something away. I think that maybe if they tried to sell the drug free lifestyle they might be a little bit more sucessful. If you can make not doing drugs cool than that would be the thing to do. Kind of like how Ian Mackaye sold stright edge. I wonder how many punk kids decided not to do drugs because of him.

What Leon said. If anybody can tell me how to correctly follow "don't think about pink elephants," I'd love to know your secret.

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and spare me your speech on physialogical addictive properties or the strength of the drug because i am a man of character and will so that shit can't touch me. i've heard it all before about shit that i have done and not cared about ever again, so i am not about to believe it.

Different strokes for different folks, but the people in my life whom I consider to be "of character" are fairly humble.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that your little meth experiment will go as you expect and you have no problems. That doesn't change the fact that other people have different genes and circumstances which may make them more susceptible to addiction. That does not mean said people are any less responsible for choosing to taking the drug, but to speak of addiction as solely a willpower issue oversimplifies it. Most of what goes on in the real world happens outside your experience (and mine, for that matter).


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south pacific Wrote:
I don't want to start an arguement here with anyone but I have a hard time believing that anyone could handle crystal meth "recreationally" on a regular basis and not become addicted. Shit is hard core.


When I did my psych rotation at a local hospital here I was shocked to find that 50%+ of all the inpatients were meth addicts. In Hawaii, crystal meth is a HUGE problem now.


When I was working with the addict convict teens in CA I would say in the 90-95% range they listed off Meth as their drug of choice too.

Despite the pure shittiness of their lives (not all related to meth of course) it was humorous to see them come in all tweaked out and then in like 3 months they've gained like 60 lbs because they're actually eating meals now.


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This is something I wrote a few years back, describing my first dance with Mr. Meth:

Like many others in that place and time, my initial exposure to crystal methamphetamine was a case of mistaken identity.

It was the summer of 1989 and I had just turned 25. I was the nighttime manager of a popular Russian-themed cafe/brewpub just off Hollywood Boulevard six nights a week, but the night in question was my off-duty evening. I chose to spend it at a coworker’s apartment in Tinseltown, where a group of us got together to share a few drinks, smoke a few joints and just generally chill out in good company.

A couple of hours after my arrival, my buddy Carl pulled out a bag of white powder and offered it around. Normally it would have been my inclination to refuse such invitations. I’d had a bit of a problem with cocaine during my college days in the early ’80s, one that was ameliorated only by the drastic step of joining the U.S. Navy. Since my discharge two and a half years earlier, I’d successfully resisted all temptations to revisit my experiences with powder products. However, on this evening I’d had a tad too much to drink and didn’t feel like passing out right away, as there was an attractive young lady present whom I desired to know better. So, when the baggy was proffered, I was only too happy to take up the offer.

But even after five years away from the drug, I immediately realized that the burning sensation overwhelming my right nostril was quite unlike any I’d ever experienced. “What the fuck is this shit cut with?” I gasped. My benefactor shot a puzzled glance my way, asking what I meant. When I replied that I’d never had any coke burn up my nose like that, he started laughing uproariously.

“What’s so goddamned funny?” I demanded.

“Well,” Carl replied, a big, shit-eating grin plastered across his mug, “that’s not coke--it’s speed. You’ve never done it before?” When I said no, his grin somehow got even wider. “Well all right,” he laughed, “you’ve got quite an adventure ahead of you tonight--make sure to let me know how it went at work tomorrow. I’m sure you’ll be quite busy until then!”

“What, off of one measly line?” I retorted. “I don’t think so. I may have been away from this shit for a while, but I’m far from a lightweight. A few more drinks and I’ll be just fine.”

Carl simply smiled and disappeared back into the midst of the party.

Truth be told, I was already beginning to notice some differences between the drugs. Whereas the coke high, while intense, tends to fade fairly quickly, fifteen minutes after I’d taken Carl up on his offer my brain was buzzing, my heart was pounding and all thoughts of passing out had vanished. This shit was amazing! I felt like a twisted version of Superman, able to down limitless numbers of tallboys in a single gulp while producing more smoke from prodigious bong hits than any locomotive. My mind was racing and I was just killing folks with my rapid-fire responses and witty banter to any number of conversations that were going on, often simultaneously. I was to learn in later years that tweekers (as meth heads most often refer to themselves) don’t really engage in conversation so much as dueling monologues. I possessed the happy talent of being able to listen to and absorb up to five such monologues at once, generally making one contribution every five minutes or so--but one that was somehow relevant to all five conversations, much to the amazement (and more than occasional chagrin) of my friends. But I jump a bit ahead….

As the hours passed, I was astounded by the endurance of the high. I glanced at my watch and was amazed to find that over three hours had passed since I’d snorted the small line. Three hours…and I wasn’t even beginning to feel tired! I decided to go outside and see how my aroused senses took to the nighttime atmosphere. Upon stating my intentions, a couple of other guys decided to come downstairs with me.

It was a balmy early summer night--temperatures in the mid-seventies, the scent of Southern California’s myriad native blooms freshening the air with their essences. As we stood on the steps leading up to the apartment building, a few of the more adventurous partygoers had made their way to the roof of the four-story edifice. They shouted down greetings to us, which we heartily returned, no doubt rousing any neighborhood residents who were so foolish as to be attempting to sleep at 1:30 in the morning on a weekday. I remember the time well, because the folks up on the roof shouted that we were almost out of beer and needed to make a run to the liquor store. Since I was already downstairs, I volunteered to go and told the folks on the roof to send someone down with their money.

Though I would’ve most likely scoffed at the notion at the time, I’ve now come to believe that there are certain cruxes that we come to at various points in our lifetimes…and, as absurd as the notion may seem, there are often omens that help to point out the proper path to take. One such moment was about to unfold.

As I finished off my cigarette and prepared for the beer run, a shout from above caught my attention. My coworker Eddie, the party host, stated he was going to bring down the money, but not by some “pussy-ass stairwell.” No, he was young, drunk and, as I discovered later, also thoroughly enjoying his first encounter with speed. So, stairs weren’t good enough for him. He wanted to get downstairs, and he wanted to get downstairs NOW. As we bemusedly watched from the ground, Eddie clambered over the edge of the roof, his intention to swing onto the balcony of his room below. Unfortunately, his sense of equilibrium wasn’t exactly at its greatest, with the result that he overbalanced on his way over the edge of the roof, hit the balcony railing on his back, flipped over and plunged headfirst into the building’s sunken driveway, some fifty feet below where he’d started.

Even now, well over a decade later, I can recall with crystal clarity (pun not intended) the horrible sound that his head made hitting the pavement. It was very weird; it seemed that the sound was echoing over and over in my skull, but all other background noise--the screams from above, the shocked curses from my smoking buddies--faded into the background. Along with the two guys I’d been smoking with, I raced over to his prone form and immediately had my worst suspicions confirmed: Eddie was lying there motionless, eyes open but rapidly glazing and blood trickling from his nose, mouth and visible ear. I was certain that he was dead.

While one of the guys I’d been smoking with was screaming frantically for someone to call an ambulance, and the other was determinedly administering mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, I found myself facing one of the most difficult moments of my life. Eddie’s Filipina wife, Carmen, who was three months pregnant with their first child, had raced down the stairs from the roof, screaming hysterically for her husband. Without really thinking too much about it, I instinctively grabbed her and refused to let her get too close to the scene, not wanting the sight of his prone, lifeless form to become her final memory of Eddie. I didn’t tell her my suspicions, of course. I simply told her that people were doing their best for Eddie, and she’d only get in the way at the moment. At first she tried to fight her way past me, but I used my size and strength to keep her away and, eventually, since I was Eddie’s boss, she took me at my word.

I’d just calmed her when a shout went up: “He’s still breathing! Get that fuckin’ ambulance here NOW!” I couldn’t believe it, but it was true. Though still unconscious, Eddie was somehow drawing in great, shuddering lungfuls of air. Within moments, the paramedics had arrived and, after quickly stabilizing Eddie and putting him on a backboard, roared off to the hospital.

Incredibly, Eddie was out of the hospital within 72 hours--and back at work within a week. No one that was there could believe it; Carmen was convinced that the Lord had stepped in to save her husband’s life for the sake of their unborn child, and who was I to doubt a miracle?

Nevertheless, there were still some disquieting signs. Eddie was never again the happy-go-lucky hellraiser he’d always been in the three months I’d known him prior to the accident. In fact, thereafter he was nothing at all like the Eddie I’d quickly come to consider a good friend. Although he may have made a complete physical recovery, it seemed that his brain had undergone a total rewiring. While a lot of that could no doubt be attributed to his close brush with the hereafter, it went a bit beyond. It was almost as if Eddie had been reborn at that moment he started breathing again. A brand-new Eddie, if you will, who for all intents and purposes looked like the old Eddie but was, in fact, nothing at all like him personality-wise. He would never again join our wisecracking group on break on the rare occasions that the restaurant slowed down a bit, and where his presence had always previously inspired laughter and jokes, an odd sort of solemnity began to take over whenever he walked by us. Nobody was very surprised when he abruptly quit the restaurant about six weeks after his fall. God save us, I believe some of us were even relieved.

I never saw Eddie or Carmen again.

But surely, after such a horrific experience upon my initial exposure to the drug, I immediately stopped doing speed, right? Even if one doesn’t have much faith in omens, there definitely comes a time when such things slap you in the face and almost force you to take notice, doesn’t there?

Wrong. Much as I had been entranced by cocaine during my college days, just one snort of speed was enough to trigger my receptors in such a way that I couldn’t wait to do it again. And that summer, working nights at the restaurant and afterward partying ’til dawn with the crew in the Cherokee Avenue apartment building that would quickly receive the nickname “The Crystal Palace,” I would have plenty of opportunities.

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per obner's suggestion, i trie dsome meth tongiht. i iwll report back soon to let you know if i am strung out.


oh shit
he's kidding right?

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per obner's suggestion, i trie dsome meth tongiht. i iwll report back soon to let you know if i am strung out.


oh shit
he's kidding right?


In some sick way I hope he isn't.

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per obner's suggestion, i trie dsome meth tongiht. i iwll report back soon to let you know if i am strung out.


oh shit
he's kidding right?


I'm thinking the post was waaaaaaay too short.


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