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So, does anyone think this early Bowie stuff is anything other than complete and utter garbage?


We've got a few more 'early' Bowie albums before the good stuff.

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Each one of the next three albums is way better than the last.


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I'm actually gonna break with tradition and post tomorrow's album now to give people a chance to get the multiple RS llinks.

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When Man of Words/Man of Music first appeared in late 1969, David Bowie was riding high. His first ever hit single, the super-topical "Space Oddity," had scored on the back of the moon landing that summer, and so distinctive an air did it possess that, for a moment, its maker really did seem capable of soaring as high as Major Tom. Sadly, it was not to be. "Space Oddity" aside, Bowie possessed very little in the way of commercial songs, and the ensuing album (his second) emerged a dense, even rambling, excursion through the folky strains that were the last glimmering of British psychedelia. Indeed, the album's most crucial cut, the lengthy "Cygnet Committee," was nothing less than a discourse on the death of hippiness, shot through with such bitterness and bile that it remains one of Bowie's all-time most important numbers — not to mention his most prescient. The verse that unknowingly name-checks both the Sex Pistols ("the guns of love") and the Damned is nothing if not a distillation of all that brought punk to its knees a full nine years later. The remainder of the album struggles to match the sheer vivacity of "Cygnet Committee," although "Unwashed and Slightly Dazed" comes close to packing a disheveled rock punch, all the more so as it bleeds into a half minute or so of Bowie wailing "Don't Sit Down" — an element that, mystifyingly, was hacked from the 1972 reissue of the album. "Janine" and "An Occasional Dream" are pure '60s balladry, and "God Knows I'm Good" takes a well-meant but somewhat clumsy stab at social comment. Two final tracks, however, can be said to pinpoint elements of Bowie's own future. The folk epic "Wild Eyed Boy from Freecloud" (substantially reworked from the B-side of the hit) would remain in Bowie's live set until as late as 1973, while a re-recorded version of the mantric "Memory of a Free Festival" would become a single the following year, and marked Bowie's first studio collaboration with guitarist Mick Ronson. Man of Words/Man of Music itself, however, would prove another dead end in a career that was gradually piling up an awful lot of such things. [Man of Words/Man of Music was re-released in 1972 as Space Oddity, and under that title subsequently reissued on CD by Rykodisc with bonus tracks.]


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I'm a Bowie fan and there's not a lot of his stuff Ive not listened to at one point or an other, but I really do think all I've heard of his early work is pretty much crap.


My wife (who is also a big Bowie fan) says the same thing. I'll take most people's word for it and not waste my time.

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Holy shit, one of these threads I can finally enjoy! Awesome.

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Putting on Space Oddity right now. If I've ever heard this before I've completely forgotten or blocked out the memory.

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Putting on Space Oddity right now. If I've ever heard this before I've completely forgotten or blocked out the memory.


I've definitely never heard this album before. 'Unwashed and Somewhat Slightly Dazed' is good and definitely seems to be a prodrome for his later work with the harmonica absent of course. Same with 'Cygnet Committee', it's the first song I've heard that really sounds like "David Bowie" to me, too bad it's tragically long.

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Yeah, this one is spotty with plenty of crap, but it at least has a couple redeeming songs. Starting to show potential but still not a full album's worth of decent music.


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"Memory of a Free Festival" is the best song he's done at this point.

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Been busy so far today, might be tonight before I can give it a hearty listen.

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Spoke too soon...got some time.

"Space Oddity" is a classic, and still sounds fantastic.

"Unwashed and Somewhat Slightly" dig the jam at the end. Its amazing to see how much growth there was between the debut and this record. Its on a whole different musical scale.

In my pre-reading about this record, its commonly accepted that this record is all over the place. Also, Rick Wakeman and Tony Visconti played on the record as session musicians.

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"Letter To Hermione" a nice little love song...does nothing for me.

"Cygnet Committee" has been described as the darkhorse masterpiece on the record.
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During 1969, Bowie and his new girlfriend, Angela Barnett (who would become his wife in 1970; they divorced in 1980), lived in Beckenham, where they ran the Arts Lab, trying to encourage young people to be creative. However, Bowie soon quit the Arts Lab, when he realized that most people were coming just to see him perform and not to participate. His disappointing encounter with the hippies during this time is the basis for the song, as he felt he was used and abused by the teens: "I gave them my life... They drained my very soul..."

Interesting, and it puts things in perspective. I always just thought it was stoned-out song about culture.

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"Janine" starts off slow, but gets much better.

"A Occasional Dream" are we sure this isn't a Bee Gees song? Second song about his ex-gf to make this record. Now, I see why this record is so fractured.

"Wild-Eyed Boy From Freecloud" This is a whole bunch of nothing wrapped up in swelling orchestration. There's a demo version with guitar/cello on cd 2 that I'm thinking will be better.

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This album really isn't bad. That it's a huge step up from his debut should go without saying. It's still not a really good album, but it's alright. It has several good moments and shows a lot of potential. "Unwashed and Somewhat Slightly Dazed", "An Occasional Dream", "Memory Of A Free Festival", and of course "Space Oddity" are all good songs.

Looking forward to things getting steadily better on the next two.


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"God Knows I'm Good" This is actually one of my favorite tunes on the record. Its a simple acoustic-guitar driven song going back to his Feathers folk group days.

"Memory of a Free Festival" meh. This gets better around the 4:00 mark, but its still largely a pretty boring track to end the record on.

Ok, thats the record. I recall hearing some of these tracks, but never in their album back-to-back format. I've got to say that this record is only slightly more listenable than his debut. If it wasn't for "Space Oddity", I'm not sure that this wouldn't have been forgotten like his debut. Its interesting that when Ziggy got big, they re-released this record with a Ziggy-era Bowie on the cover which made it sell only slightly better. Boring songs are boring songs, no matter whats on the cover.

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Looking forward to things getting steadily better on the next two.

definitely.

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"Let Me Sleep Beside You" BBC -- is actually really good in this form.

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This versions of "Unwashed and Somewhat Slightly" and "Janine" are pretty great on the second disc.

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I'm surprised more people aren't listening in on these Bowie records.

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Whoah! "Ragazzo Solo, Ragazza Sola" is awesome.

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Drinky Wrote:
Looking forward to things getting steadily better on the next two.

definitely.


I'm really interested as well because the last time I heard The Man Who Sold the World I really didn't care for it at all.

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Of course I have no time to listen to these myself right now...

FR or whoever asked - I used to have it, and thoroughly enjoyed it. As a matter of fact, I got it because I wanted to explore Bowie beyond Changesbowie and the songs I loved on there.

I lent it to someone a long time back and they never returned it.

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I'm surprised more people aren't listening in on these Bowie records.


I don't have the stamina for any of these. Three albums in and I'm usually done so why even start? I'll read with interest though.


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Even though it contained no hits, The Man Who Sold the World, for most intents and purposes, is the beginning of David Bowie's classic period. Working with guitarist Mick Ronson and producer Tony Visconti for the first time, Bowie developed a tight, twisted heavy guitar rock that appears simple on the surface but sounds more gnarled upon each listen. The mix is off-center, with the fuzz-bass dominating the compressed, razor-thin guitars and Bowie's strangled, affected voice. The sound of The Man Who Sold the World is odd, but the music is bizarre itself, with Bowie's bizarre, paranoid futuristic tales melded to Ronson's riffing and the band's relentless attack. Musically, there isn't much innovation on The Man Who Sold the World -- it is almost all hard blues-rock or psychedelic folk-rock -- but there's an unsettling edge to the band's performance, which makes the record one of Bowie's best albums. [Rykodisc's 1990 CD reissue includes four bonus tracks, including the previously unreleased "Lightning Frightening," and the single "Holy Holy," and both sides of the 1971 "Arnold Corns" single, "Moonage Daydream" and "Hang On to Yourself," which are early and inferior versions of songs that would later appear on Ziggy Stardust.]

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Thus it begins. One thing I found interesting--released 1970 in the US, and not until 71 in the UK. This has also been described as the "birth of glam rock" record.

"Width of a Circle" Much more rocking here, with an extended jam in the middle. Its almost like he discovered the electric guitar between albums. That said, this sounds very early 70s-ish right off the bat. This is actually a pretty long song for Bowie. I think there was a 9+ minute song on the last record. This one comes in just under.

"All the Madmen" Loving the backing band on this. Mick Woodmansey on drums is on point here. Not to mention Visconti's bass. I don't even mind the moog interludes.

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