A guy I work with has never heard of THE SMITHS!

jewels santana · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:36 pm **Posts:** 10198

DumpJack Wrote:

Elvis Fu Wrote:

DumpJack Wrote:

discostu Wrote:

Step outside of your "indie" culture for a minute and you'll see 270,000,000 Americans who haven't hear of The Smiths.

They were a huge British band in the 80s. It's like calling Depeche Mode obscure because they aren't from the US.

Depeche Mode filled the Rose Bowl. The Smiths never had that kind of popularity.

Fair enough that was maybe a poor comparison choice, but they were hardly obscure.

lower sales don't always equate lack of knowledge.
i'm sure most people know who the Sex Pistols are, and they only went platinum like five years ago.

pollysix · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:56 am **Posts:** 5174

Elvis Fu Wrote:

Remember, not far from this Thread Celebrating Good Taste at the Expense of Peons, there is a two page thread on "American Idol".

(...)

High school kids have no business wasting their youth on shit like The Smiths. At that time you should be into something loud, obnoxious and scares your parents, not something that makes them peep into your dresser to make sure you don't have a secret stash of panties to sleep in.

American Idol = THE BANE OF MY EXISTENCE

Oh c'mon... not everyone is angry in High School, there are plenty that are depressed as well.

Sometimes the music that popular when you're in H.S. isn't your thing.

<--- spent H.S., aka the "grunge era" listening to the Cure.

Elvis Fu · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:23 pm

jewels santana Wrote:

lower sales don't always equate lack of knowledge.
i'm sure most people know who the Sex Pistols are, and they only went platinum like five years ago.

I would consider that to be one of the exceptions to the general rule. There's a million bands that this group wouldn't consider to be obscure that the general populace doesn't know and doesn't care about.

Husker Du, Replacements, Minutemen, New York Dolls, My Bloody Valentine, pre-Green REM, Sonic Youth, etc.

Twilightkid · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:32 pm

I liked the Cure better anyway!

Elvis Fu · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:36 pm

pollysix Wrote:

Oh c'mon... not everyone is angry in High School, there are plenty that are depressed as well.

Sometimes the music that popular when you're in H.S. isn't your thing.

<--- spent H.S., aka the "grunge era" listening to the Cure.

I wasn't saying angry or popular, necessarily. Rebellious.

And I'm sure I'll make thousands of friends with this comment: Kids ain't got nothin' to get depressed about in high school. Kill yourself after you get some bills.

DumpJack · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:40 pm

Elvis Fu Wrote:

And I'm sure I'll make thousands of friends with this comment: Kids ain't got nothin' to get depressed about in high school. Kill yourself after you get some bills.

I've got a mountain of bills that makes me want to evicerate myself daily. I actually put on the Smiths to cheer me up.

pollysix · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:56 am **Posts:** 5174

Elvis Fu Wrote:

And I'm sure I'll make thousands of friends with this comment: Kids ain't got nothin' to get depressed about in high school. Kill yourself after you get some bills.

Guess you were lucky and had a peachy childhood.

Elvis Fu · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:54 pm

Or aware that life really ain't that bad in high school.

pollysix · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:56 am **Posts:** 5174

Elvis Fu Wrote:

Or aware that life really ain't that bad in high school.

Depends on who's life it is.

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:03 pm

Elvis Fu Wrote:

Or aware that life really ain't that bad in high school.

When you are young, you have no experience, so EVERYTHING hits you hard. Love, hate, sex, violence...it's all THE END OF THE WORLD, or THE BEGINNING OF THE GREATEST THING EVER.

Then you get old and jaded and drunk. And stop listening to shite like The Smiths.

HaqDiesel · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:23 pm

Elvis Fu Wrote:

I wasn't saying angry or popular, necessarily. Rebellious.

This is as ridiculous as when old people tell you that you'll become a conservative when you get a little money. Nobody has to be any particular thing at any particular point in their life.

Elvis Fu · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:27 pm

HaqDiesel Wrote:

Elvis Fu Wrote:

I wasn't saying angry or popular, necessarily. Rebellious.

This is as ridiculous as when old people tell you that you'll become a conservative when you get a little money. Nobody has to be any particular thing at any particular point in their life.

I think you are delving a little deep here, Mr. Admin.

Of course nobody has to be a particular thing at any point in there life. But in general, it's not in the best interest of fourth graders to read Dostoyevsky rather than The Phantom Tollbooth either.

katie, a princess · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:28 pm

HaqDiesel Wrote:

Elvis Fu Wrote:

I wasn't saying angry or popular, necessarily. Rebellious.

This is as ridiculous as when old people tell you that you'll become a conservative when you get a little money. Nobody has to be any particular thing at any particular point in their life.

no, you have to be rich and famous by 25.

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:29 pm

katie, a princess Wrote:

HaqDiesel Wrote:

Elvis Fu Wrote:

I wasn't saying angry or popular, necessarily. Rebellious.

This is as ridiculous as when old people tell you that you'll become a conservative when you get a little money. Nobody has to be any particular thing at any particular point in their life.

no, you have to be rich and famous by 25.

And dead by 27...

yeah Haq, you can be what you want, but its funny how most things do tend fit in teh boxes made for them.

HaqDiesel · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:31 pm

Fine Fu, but it's pretty obvious that this:

Elvis Fu Wrote:

High school kids have no business wasting their youth on shit like The Smiths. At that time you should be into something loud, obnoxious and scares your parents, not something that makes them peep into your dresser to make sure you don't have a secret stash of panties to sleep in. Oh, and keep in mind that your stance on The Beatles, who probably had absolutely zero influence on the friggin' Smiths.

has more to do with what music you liked in high school than what kids "should" listen to. It's pretty difficult to understand why you take such a strong line on this.

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:38 pm

HaqDiesel Wrote:

Fine Fu, but it's pretty obvious that this:

Elvis Fu Wrote:

High school kids have no business wasting their youth on shit like The Smiths. At that time you should be into something loud, obnoxious and scares your parents, not something that makes them peep into your dresser to make sure you don't have a secret stash of panties to sleep in. Oh, and keep in mind that your stance on The Beatles, who probably had absolutely zero influence on the friggin' Smiths.

has more to do with what music you liked in high school than what kids "should" listen to. It's pretty difficult to understand why you take such a strong line on this.

Cos you should be enjoying the one time in your life you are unecumbered by reality..oh wait, that's college too, but you'll be too drunk to realize then if you do it right.

no guru · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:42 pm

Elvis Fu Wrote:

HaqDiesel Wrote:

Elvis Fu Wrote:

I wasn't saying angry or popular, necessarily. Rebellious.

This is as ridiculous as when old people tell you that you'll become a conservative when you get a little money. Nobody has to be any particular thing at any particular point in their life.

I think you are delving a little deep here, Mr. Admin.

Of course nobody has to be a particular thing at any point in there life. But in general, it's not in the best interest of fourth graders to read Dostoyevsky rather than The Phantom Tollbooth either.

Tollbooth is a better read, anyway.

pollysix · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:56 am **Posts:** 5174

Sen. Lost Highway LooGAR Wrote:

Cos you should be enjoying the one time in your life you are unecumbered by reality..oh wait, that's college too, but you'll be too drunk to realize then if you do it right.

Not to keep banging you over the head with it but....

...to keep banging you over the head with it: Not everyone's life in High School is such that they can be "unecumbered by reality". Mine certainly wasn't.

Like Haq said, you can't just lop every H.S. kid together. Duh.

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:46 pm

pollysix Wrote:

Sen. Lost Highway LooGAR Wrote:

Cos you should be enjoying the one time in your life you are unecumbered by reality..oh wait, that's college too, but you'll be too drunk to realize then if you do it right.

Not to keep banging you over the head with it but....

...to keep banging you over the head with it: Not everyone's life in High School is such that they can be "unecumbered by reality". Mine certainly wasn't.

Like Haq said, you can't just lop every H.S. kid together. Duh.

Well, listening to poofs like The Smiths ain't gonna help you

Crank up the rock and go get high....

HaqDiesel · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:48 pm

Not to mention that an intelligent high schooler, like an intelligent adult, might perceive the irony in the Smiths songs and be amused, rather than depressed by them. But if all high schoolers are stupid as well as rebellious, this point is of course moot. Maybe you guys can tell us the answer to that one.

Kingfish · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:48 pm

I loved high school but I could see how it would be miserable for some. But wouldn't subjecting yourself to the Smiths, only make a bad time worse?

no guru · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:48 pm

Some bad shit goes down for some kids. Some cope with rebellion and partying. Some with morbidity.

Course some kids have life really easy and they also exhibit the above.

Varies from kid to kid, as it always has.

HaqDiesel · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:49 pm

oldbullee Wrote:

I loved high school but I could see how it would be miserable for some. But wouldn't subjecting yourself to the Smiths, only make a bad time worse?

Isn't this an extremely simplified view of why people listen to music? Come on guys.

Kingfish · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:49 pm

HaqDiesel Wrote:

Not to mention that an intelligent high schooler, like an intelligent adult, might perceive the irony in the Smiths songs and be amused, rather than depressed by them. But if all high schoolers are stupid as well as rebellious, this point is of course moot. Maybe you guys can tell us the answer to that one.

obviously you were said intelligent student. bravo.

no guru · **Posted:** Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:50 pm

oldbullee Wrote:

I loved high school but I could see how it would be miserable for some. But wouldn't subjecting yourself to the Smiths, only make a bad time worse?

I actually liked them in college because I found them funny. Didn't depress me at all.

Did tend to skip over a few tracks like "Never Had No One, Ever," though.

A guy I work with has never heard of THE SMITHS!

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