Grammys 2011

FT · **Posted:** Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:14 pm

mojo Wrote:

Coolest moment from last night was Esperanza Spalding winning "Best New Artist". There's hope....

too bad it couldn't have been 30 years ago, so ted knight could have been the presenter

Kingfish · **Posted:** Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:41 pm

Rick Derris Wrote:

Yail Bloor Wrote:

Sort of lost in the WTF-ness of Dylan's "performance" is that the Avett's were really fucking good. I've always been pretty meh on their records but that live special that's been airing on Palladium has turned me into half a fan and made me reconsider. I'm so emo

I've been a fan but their live show was an eye opener. They were great but the thing that took me back was how many rabid fans they have and how many crowd interaction quirks some of the songs elicit. Like, screams or well timed claps from the audience during very specific parts of specific songs.

Very jam band-y kind of following for sure.

Both the Avett Brothers and Mumford and Sons are for guys who are now embarrassed of their DMB sticker they had on their car in college. "I don't really listen to Dave anymore. I'm more into indie music like the Avett Bros."

Bob Dylan was awesome. Sounded like the love the child of Tom Waits and Satchamo.

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:48 pm

Rick Derris Wrote:

Yail Bloor Wrote:

Sort of lost in the WTF-ness of Dylan's "performance" is that the Avett's were really fucking good. I've always been pretty meh on their records but that live special that's been airing on Palladium has turned me into half a fan and made me reconsider. I'm so emo

I've been a fan but their live show was an eye opener. They were great but the thing that took me back was how many rabid fans they have and how many crowd interaction quirks some of the songs elicit. Like, screams or well timed claps from the audience during very specific parts of specific songs.

Very jam band-y kind of following for sure.

A little like that time we saw Guster?

harry · **Posted:** Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:30 am

Kingfish Wrote:

Bob Dylan was awesome. Sounded like the love the child of Tom Waits and Satchamo.

I thought he was a riot. I like this Quentin Crisp incarnation (with Satchmo's voice) better than the Slim Whitman character a couple years ago. It's gonna be fun to watch him get senile. (If I don't get there first.)

TheTheory · **Posted:** Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:34 am

Best comment from that Who Is Arcade Fire??!!? thingy:

"And why is everyone from Arcade Fire hideously ugly? #appalled"

Z · **Joined:** Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:38 pm **Posts:** 7979

i like what this article is trying to say: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/20 ... _hear.html

Quote:

Look at any forum or comments box where random strangers find themselves talking about music, and you wind up peering into some kind of chauvinistic Tower of Babel: so many people fiercely sure that their vantage point is normal, despite being surrounded by so many staggeringly, radically different backgrounds, perspectives, and frames of reference.

billy g · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:41 pm **Posts:** 9020

In defense of all the people who didn't know who Arcade Fire was, I'm not a fan to begin with but they did kinda suck

mcaputo · **Posted:** Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:38 pm

billy g Wrote:

In defense of all the people who didn't know who Arcade Fire was, I'm not a fan to begin with but they did kinda suck

Just yesterday a close family member asked me to pick this up, which I did. Then she proceeded to have me sit down and listen to about half of it. :shock:

Flying Rabbit · **Posted:** Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:48 pm

I kinda liked what Chris Weingarten said:

Quote:

All the "Who is Arcade Fire/Lady Antebellum/Esperanza" tweets are pretty much just people admitting they live in a myopic internet wormhole. If this was 92 & MTV played videos, everyone would know Arcade/Antebellum/Esperanza cuz they would be "famous ppl" instead of "genre music"

Z · **Joined:** Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:38 pm **Posts:** 7979

i don't think esperanza spalding would be "famous ppl" anyway. how many female jazz bassists are "famous ppl"?

Kingfish · **Posted:** Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:02 pm

Flying Rabbit Wrote:

I kinda liked what Chris Weingarten said:

Quote:

All the "Who is Arcade Fire/Lady Antebellum/Esperanza" tweets are pretty much just people admitting they live in a myopic internet wormhole. If this was 92 & MTV played videos, everyone would know Arcade/Antebellum/Esperanza cuz they would be "famous ppl" instead of "genre music"

I don't know. He's making a lot of assumptions that I'm not sure I'd go along with. First, it is not a certainty that AF's video would have made a heavy MTV Video rotation. A lot of good music saw limited play time on MTV. Second, there are tons of artist who are "famous ppl" in this day and age. Maybe AF hasn't crossed over for a reason? I'm not sure the general public is anymore myopic than they've always been. At the end of the day, I think Nirvana became "famous ppl" because of their talents, instincts, and savvy.

Flying Rabbit · **Posted:** Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:24 pm

Kingfish Wrote:

Flying Rabbit Wrote:

I kinda liked what Chris Weingarten said:

Quote:

All the "Who is Arcade Fire/Lady Antebellum/Esperanza" tweets are pretty much just people admitting they live in a myopic internet wormhole. If this was 92 & MTV played videos, everyone would know Arcade/Antebellum/Esperanza cuz they would be "famous ppl" instead of "genre music"

I don't know. He's making a lot of assumptions that I'm not sure I'd go along with. First, it is not a certainty that AF's video would have made a heavy MTV Video rotation. A lot of good music saw limited play time on MTV. Second, there are tons of artist who are "famous ppl" in this day and age. Maybe AF hasn't crossed over for a reason? I'm not sure the general public is anymore myopic than they've always been. At the end of the day, I think Nirvana became "famous ppl" because of their talents, instincts, and savvy.

But how did Nirvana's talents get to people's ears? By playing it over and over on radio and MTV. Norah Jones would've been seen as a niche/genre artist if it wasn't for incessant playing on the radio.

Kingfish · **Posted:** Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:32 pm

Flying Rabbit Wrote:

Kingfish Wrote:

Flying Rabbit Wrote:

I kinda liked what Chris Weingarten said:

Quote:

All the "Who is Arcade Fire/Lady Antebellum/Esperanza" tweets are pretty much just people admitting they live in a myopic internet wormhole. If this was 92 & MTV played videos, everyone would know Arcade/Antebellum/Esperanza cuz they would be "famous ppl" instead of "genre music"

I don't know. He's making a lot of assumptions that I'm not sure I'd go along with. First, it is not a certainty that AF's video would have made a heavy MTV Video rotation. A lot of good music saw limited play time on MTV. Second, there are tons of artist who are "famous ppl" in this day and age. Maybe AF hasn't crossed over for a reason? I'm not sure the general public is anymore myopic than they've always been. At the end of the day, I think Nirvana became "famous ppl" because of their talents, instincts, and savvy.

But how did Nirvana's talents get to people's ears? By playing it over and over on radio and MTV. Norah Jones would've been seen as a niche/genre artist if it wasn't for incessant playing on the radio.

Right. But they made a video and a song that MTV played over and over again. Whiney and you assume that AF would have done that. I'm not willing to assume that.

Kingfish · **Posted:** Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:32 pm

Flying Rabbit Wrote:

Kingfish Wrote:

Flying Rabbit Wrote:

I kinda liked what Chris Weingarten said:

Quote:

All the "Who is Arcade Fire/Lady Antebellum/Esperanza" tweets are pretty much just people admitting they live in a myopic internet wormhole. If this was 92 & MTV played videos, everyone would know Arcade/Antebellum/Esperanza cuz they would be "famous ppl" instead of "genre music"

I don't know. He's making a lot of assumptions that I'm not sure I'd go along with. First, it is not a certainty that AF's video would have made a heavy MTV Video rotation. A lot of good music saw limited play time on MTV. Second, there are tons of artist who are "famous ppl" in this day and age. Maybe AF hasn't crossed over for a reason? I'm not sure the general public is anymore myopic than they've always been. At the end of the day, I think Nirvana became "famous ppl" because of their talents, instincts, and savvy.

But how did Nirvana's talents get to people's ears? By playing it over and over on radio and MTV. Norah Jones would've been seen as a niche/genre artist if it wasn't for incessant playing on the radio.

Right. But they made a video and a song that MTV played over and over again. That video drove a lot of Smells Like Teen Spirits play. Whiney and you assume that AF would have done that. I'm not willing to assume that. Shit, OK Go has made a career through attention grabbing videos without MTV. It can be done. It takes a lot more than just having good sales and indie cred to become "famous ppl." There have been tons of bands before AF that have had both and never became "famous ppl." The Pixies are a great example. And they had videos playing on MTV when MTV played videos.

Flying Rabbit · **Posted:** Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:19 pm

I guess I'm willing to believe that they would've been on MTV since Spike Jonze did their lead-off video. I dunno. I just don't think its out of the range of speculation.

Kingfish · **Posted:** Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:31 pm

Flying Rabbit Wrote:

I guess I'm willing to believe that they would've been on MTV since Spike Jonze did their lead-off video. I dunno. I just don't think its out of the range of speculation.

Definitely in the range of speculation.

Also, I wonder how much AF really appeals to 13-14 year olds, which has always been a critical target audience for MTV. That gym in Smells like Teen Spirit looked like my junior high gym. I always thought that was part of the success. AF seems conceptually more like a college band, which has always been of lesser appeal to MTV.

timmyjoe42 · **Posted:** Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:55 pm

Arcade Fire would have been ignored by MTV except for being shown on 120 minutes.

wenchlette · **Posted:** Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:29 pm

I think MTV2, when MTV2 played videos exclusively, would have played them.

FT · **Posted:** Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:34 pm

some nsfw language, but still funny...

timmyjoe42 · **Posted:** Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:02 pm

Hegel Wrote:

timmyjoe42 Wrote:

Lol @ Fall Out Boy.

Seriously, what happened with that reporter?

Sounds exactly like a stroke, or at least what someone sounds like after having a stroke. It's really sad. Met with a guy at work the other day who was in the dissertation phase of his program and had a stroke and is fully cognizant of the fact that what he wants to say doesn't come out as the right words. It is crazy.

Feel bad for that reporter. God knows what happened.

It was just a migraine guys.

PopTodd · **Posted:** Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:13 pm

timmyjoe42 Wrote:

Hegel Wrote:

timmyjoe42 Wrote:

Lol @ Fall Out Boy.

Seriously, what happened with that reporter?

Sounds exactly like a stroke, or at least what someone sounds like after having a stroke. It's really sad. Met with a guy at work the other day who was in the dissertation phase of his program and had a stroke and is fully cognizant of the fact that what he wants to say doesn't come out as the right words. It is crazy.

Feel bad for that reporter. God knows what happened.

It was just a migraine guys.

I feel oddly relieved.
I was concerned for her and am glad to hear that she is okay.

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