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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:18 am 
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I mean, as personal nostalgia for individual moments, I have those for as recently as last week, but a general nostalgic wave for the 1990's? It just seems too soon, yet I can see the seeds beginning to germinate for a flannel revival.

Too soon, I tell's ya.
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I certainly hope not. Worst rock and roll decade, period.


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I predict that by 2017, early 90s grunge will have been back in the same way that post punk and new wave surfaced up again 24 or so years later. Grunge might be back as soon as 2010. There's no way people won't get nostalgiac for that stuff again.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:45 am 
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i loved the 90's personally.....

i also like "grunge"


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There was good music to be found in the 90's, but I'm with Billzebub that it's the worst decade for rock & roll, although, it appears that that "honor" will always be bestowed upon the 80's...which is complete BS.

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There was good music to be found in the 90's, but I'm with Billzebub that it's the worst decade for rock & roll, although, it appears that that "honor" will always be bestowed upon the 80's...which is complete BS.

In what way were the 80s the best decade for rock? It's just "in" right now. A few years ago it was the 70s, the late-70s specifically. If any decade is "always" going to get that honor it would be the 60s just by the pure fact that it was the first rock decade and nearly everything that was going to happen in rock for the next 50 years was set in motion then.

Edited to add: Actually, I think the 80s is one of the worst decades of rock. Everything was out of control with no quality control. Producers were glossing everything up with pointless keyboards, horns, backing singers, etc., while stripping everything of any warmth it should have had - witness most of Elvis Costello's mid-80s material for some perfect examples of why the 80s suck. Drums had no definition whatsoever and sound more like someone built a kit out of Tupperware and electronic clap noises. Blech.

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I'll start: "Ah, the 90's..."

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Mot, no hoople Wrote:
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There was good music to be found in the 90's, but I'm with Billzebub that it's the worst decade for rock & roll, although, it appears that that "honor" will always be bestowed upon the 80's...which is complete BS.

In what way were the 80s the best decade for rock? It's just "in" right now. A few years ago it was the 70s, the late-70s specifically. If any decade is "always" going to get that honor it would be the 60s just by the pure fact that it was the first rock decade and nearly everything that was going to happen in rock for the next 50 years was set in motion then.

I don't have time at the moment to discuss the merits of the 80's, but nowhere did I say the 80's were the best decade for rock. All I said is that it's become relatively axiomatic to label that decade as the worst. It's the automatic answer most people give.

I don't agree with that, but am perfectly willing to admit that it could have a lot to do with the fact that it's "my" decade. Became a teenager in '80 and graduated college in '89. It's when I was most into music.

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I agree with Mot that the 80's stunk.

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I agree with Mot that the 80's stunk.

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All I said is that it's become relatively axiomatic to label that decade as the worst. It's the automatic answer most people give
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There's plenty great music from each decade and people who say this decade was better or that decade was crappy are, generally speaking, either ignorant or giving their age away.

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I agree with Mot that the 80's stunk.

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All I said is that it's become relatively axiomatic to label that decade as the worst. It's the automatic answer most people give
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Maybe it's automatic for a reason. All I know is I like less music from the eighties than any other decade. I bought the Left of Dial box to find some new music that I might have underapperciated and I hated most of it.

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There's plenty great music from each decade and people who say this decade was better or that decade was crappy are, generally speaking, either ignorant or giving their age away.


You're probably right. I'll say this then. I am aware of less music I like from the 80's and I don't identify with alot it either.

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The original grunge groups were pretty damn great -- Melvins, Mudhoney, Nirvana, Alice In Chains, 80s Soundgarden, etc.

It's the offshoots that ruin the whole genre. All that Bush, Stone Temple Pilots, Creed crap that showed up a few years later.


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It's already here.


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it's all in where you look. If you're looking at the overtly popular music, than it'd probably be pretty close. to say that the 80's = disco and the 90s = candlebox/technotronic is wrong, but probably not far off from most people's ideas. But what about the Seventies? Sure, classic rock and punk are easy to come to mind, but what about overblown stadium rock and shitty amerifolk? You're telling me that Bread and ELO gets to earn the distinction of appearing in a better music era than the 'mats and sonic youth? than pavement and fugazi? it's not really an applicable question in my mind. every decade has shits and gems.

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It's already here.


http://www.muchmusic.com/so90s/ is the first example that comes to mind for me. But I know there are countless others.


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Prediction: classic rock radio stations will be playing the Arcade Fire by 2011.

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Mot, no hoople Wrote:
Edited to add: Actually, I think the 80s is one of the worst decades of rock. Everything was out of control with no quality control. Producers were glossing everything up with pointless keyboards, horns, backing singers, etc., while stripping everything of any warmth it should have had - witness most of Elvis Costello's mid-80s material for some perfect examples of why the 80s suck. Drums had no definition whatsoever and sound more like someone built a kit out of Tupperware and electronic clap noises. Blech.


You were listening to the wrong stuff.


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Billzebub Wrote:
Mot, no hoople Wrote:
Edited to add: Actually, I think the 80s is one of the worst decades of rock. Everything was out of control with no quality control. Producers were glossing everything up with pointless keyboards, horns, backing singers, etc., while stripping everything of any warmth it should have had - witness most of Elvis Costello's mid-80s material for some perfect examples of why the 80s suck. Drums had no definition whatsoever and sound more like someone built a kit out of Tupperware and electronic clap noises. Blech.


You were listening to the wrong stuff.

Of course I was. Between 1980 and 1989, I was 7-16 years old. I was only starting to get into music at that time. Looking back on the decade, however, I find very little I want to explore. Of course there's good music from the 80s - Husker Du, REM, etc. You can say that about any decade. But the 80s really seemed to lack in ALL genres - the 80s are a notoriously bad time for jazz, especially. I mean, the 80s damn near completely killed off jazz. If a decade can kill off a resilient style like jazz, that's a damned bad decade of music.

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Here's the deal: the '90s nostalgia will be based on a '90s that those of us who were there won't recognize. It'll reduce the entire decade to a single sound and jettison anything that doesn't fit that thin definition. And then a new generation will take it as fact, and consequently it'll be remembered as a bad decade for music (in the same way that Mot views the '80s). And then some of us will die from either heart failure or cancer.


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i was born in the 80's - the 90's is too close for me


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Here's the deal: the '90s nostalgia will be based on a '90s that those of us who were there won't recognize. It'll reduce the entire decade to a single sound and jettison anything that doesn't fit that thin definition.

I wouldn't say a single thing, but several simplistic things: grunge, techno, gangsta rap, and boy-bands.

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And then a new generation will take it as fact, and consequently it'll be remembered as a bad decade for music (in the same way that Mot views the '80s).

Hey now! I'm only going by the representation in my collection - I have far more stuff from the other decades than the 80s. I have a pretty wide range of interests so, to me, that decades relative absence is pretty telling. Or it could be that I heard enough Billy Ocean in the 80s. "Caribbean queen . . . " Tell me I didn't just infect your head with that song.

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Mot, no hoople Wrote:
But the 80s really seemed to lack in ALL genres - the 80s are a notoriously bad time for jazz, especially. I mean, the 80s damn near completely killed off jazz. If a decade can kill off a resilient style like jazz, that's a damned bad decade of music.


I'll grant you the Jazz thing, all that new-age-ish crap was truly reprehensible.

As for "rock", you made a claim based on what you later admit is total ignorance. There's really no point in arguing further.

I will chastise you though, for remaining ignorant. I grew up on 70's AM radio, and liked, at the time, a lot of crap. Were I to judge the decade solely on Andrew Gold or Paper Lace, I'd say it was the worst decade ever. However, I've made it a point to explore stuff from the era that wasn't my regular fare at the time. Perhaps you should invest a simlar effort and do the same for the 80's.


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GOTDAMNIT MOT!

NOBODY TALKS ABOUT BILLY OCEAN THAT WAY!!!!


I love the 80's.

Alt-rock, college rock, hair metal, pop-country. I loved it all.

To completely dismiss a decade is to just not think at all or something.


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