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6 of the 16 baseball "experts" at ESPN, including Peter Gammons, have picked the Astros to win the world series this year. This scares me, and you know how I love the Astros.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2 ... id=2179945

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Theyre definitely getting swept now.

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Yeah, I saw that last night and went WTF?!?!? I mean, I'm 100% pulling for the 'Stros to win it all, but how can everyone honestly pick a team that barely managed to eke out a Wild Card slot on the final day of the season??? I'll be thrilled if it happens, but I truly think only the Padres have a slimmer chance to run the table.

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Methinks when your managers name is Phil Garner, you have no chance.

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Theyre definitely getting swept now.


Indeed.


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haters.

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Whatever. I've been listening to the "experts" talk shit for weeks now about how the Braves are screwed if they drew the Astros in the first round. I'm not buying that shit.

In my heart of hearts I don't think the Bravos can win it all but they can certainly win a series or two.

Also, WTF is up with a 4:00 first pitch FOR A PLAYOFF GAME!?!?

At least give folks a chance to go.


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Busty Rhodes Wrote:
Ross Gload Wrote:
Theyre definitely getting swept now.


Indeed.


I've got tickets to game 4. Please, please, please don't let a sweep happen. By either team. Worst case scenario: one team leads the series 2-0, I drive the six hours to Houston on Saturday afternoon as planned while game 3 is going on, that team completes the sweep, I turn around and drive back. That would equal supreme pissitude.

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I can understand picking the Astros because of the strong pitching. They're also picking the Angels to beat the Yanks, though. I understand they have a strong bullpen and play the Yankees tough but I just don't see it happening. Personally, I see a possible rematch of last year's series coming but I'm pulling for Cards / White Sox.

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My dad's a Cardinals fan & all he's been talking about for 2 months now is how much the Astros scare him. 3 man rotation no one looks better.

Angels, Cards & I think I hope not but I think Red Sox. I hoping for STL & Angel World Series, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's Red Sox & Astros. Angels can get past the Tankee's & White Sox but not the Red Sox. And the NL is a 2 team race.

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• October 3, 2005 | 7:47 p.m. ET

Yankees, White Sox, Braves, Padres (Keith Olbermann)

SECAUCUS — "What," my friend the CBS Sports producer asked, as we stood there in the field-level runway between the two clubhouses, just as the bottom of the ninth inning of Game One of the 1988 World Series began, "are we going to ask Dennis Eckersley after this game?"

"We’re going to ask him," I replied, "how he feels about giving up that game-losing home run to Kirk Gibson."

She laughed. "No, seriously."

I laughed back. "I am serious. It’s too obvious! Can’t you see it coming down the hallway? The guy is too hurt to play, the Dodgers have no business being here without him, he’s a football player who learned to play baseball — it’s obvious."

Ten minutes later Gibson was hobbling around the bases with his game-winning homer off Eckersley and my colleague from CBS was looking at me real funny. "I also called the Bucky Dent home run in the Yankees-Red Sox playoff game in ’78," I said as we scrambled towards the Dodger clubhouse.

All this is mentioned: a) because it makes me look good, and more importantly, b) because it underscores that the best baseball forecasting is a combination of hunch work, history, and instinct. On this eve of the 2005 playoffs, I have tried to keep my research to a minimum and gone more with my considerable gut.

I saw a list of the predictions of fifteen baseball experts today — six of whom are friends and/or colleagues. Six of them think the Angels will win the World Series; five pick the Astros; two choose the Cardinals, one each the Red Sox and Yankees, and, significantly, none the Braves, White Sox, or Padres. This alone should almost guarantee that the Angels and Astros won’t even make it to the Series.

Yankees-Angels : An extraordinary Yankee team that has been teetering on the edge of extinction since the third day of the season and Mariano Rivera’s first blown save against the Red Sox. No other Yankee first-place finisher has ever spent such little time actually in first place. Yet the Yanks finished by winning 20 of their last 29, and the back-up rotation cobbled together by Joe Torre and Brian Cashman, Of Chien-Ming Wang, Shawn Chacon, and Aaron Small merely combined for a 25-8 season. Neither Torre nor Cashman has ever done a better job, and unless the Yankees are exhausted by their season-long travails, they should be razor-sharp, even against that well-built Angels’ club. Dismiss what you’ve heard about a slumping closer in Francisco Rodriguez - he was flawless down the stretch. The key to this series is the number of times you hear the "other" F. Rodriguez (Felix, of the Yankee arson squad), or the name Scott Proctor. If it’s less than five, the Yankees will win in five.

White Sox-Red Sox : A season of vomiting managers, vomiting fans, and a nearly vomited 15-game lead. What a lovely image! The White Sox are the poster boys for underachievement, but a funny thing happened on their annual way to oblivion: they not only halted their own skid, but also knocked the upstart Indians out of the post-season. In the season’s last thirty games, Chicago managed the second-best pitching in the league, and if the Yankees’ turbulent staff could stave off David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez, there’s no reason the more reliable White Sox pitchers can’t. Terry Francona did nearly as much of a smoke-and-mirrors job in Boston as Torre did in New York, but when the smoke clears, Torre has Mariano Rivera and four behemoths in the middle of his line-up, while Francona barely has a back end of his bullpen. The White Sox in five.

Astros-Braves : Talk about fickle. Six weeks ago Bobby Cox was a genius again and the Braves’ New World was a triumph of regional scouting, focused player development, and the flawless swing of Jeff Francoeur. Now, the Astros come within a loss of coughing up the Wild Card to the Phillies — the Phillies! — and because the Braves went 13-13 down the stretch, the Astros are the hip pick to win it all. I don’t believe a word of it. I love Phil Garner as a manager, but the Braves are a mix of guys who have grown old waiting for a second World’s Championship, and a bunch of kids who have grown up waiting for it. Waves of talent and decades of frustration take this one for the Braves, also in five.

Cardinals-Padres : Ah, poor Padres. In the playoffs only because you have to have a National League West team in there - like the obligatory Tampa Bay Devil Ray at the All-Star Game. No one seems to recall the three-over-.500 1973 New York Mets, who not only surged out of a sagging East to beat the Reds in the playoffs, but should’ve gone on to win the World Series. And no one seems to have noticed that in the last month, the Padres and Cards have fashioned almost virtually identical pitching stats (in the last week, the Padres were 5-2, 1.94; the Cardinals 3-2, 4.60). St. Louis barely has a player - pitcher or fielder - without a ding or a slump. Do not dismiss the prospects for a major shocker here: the Padres, perhaps quicker than five.

By the way, if you're at either of the far ends of the spectrum — fanatics and people who don't care at all about the sport — the just-concluded season was probably summed up for you in one word: "Steroids."

For everybody else, it was a stunningly successful year. Total attendance went up again; the New York Yankees became the first team in twelve years to draw 4,000,000 spectators; the Los Angeles Dodgers had their biggest audiences in 23 years; and the new team in Washington drew 2,700,000 fans — more than the old team in Washington drew in its last three seasons combined.

Comments/ predictions? E-mail : KOlbermann@msnbc.com


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Are we to actually believe that Olbermann called the Gibson shot? And at the beginning of the inning?

Stick with the news, Keith.

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he is probably the type of person that calls something before nearly every plan - I have a friend like that. "Dude - home run, I can feel it"

Real annoying when it actually pans out, though.

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Cards just took the first game against the Padres.


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I think the Astros beat the Braves in five, but wouldn't be surprised to see either team sweep the other. If the Astros can score at least two runs a game with their rotation, it will be bad news for the Braves.
I am personally a Cards fan and expect the Cards to make it to the Series by the skin of their teeth over the Astros. I'm pulling for the White Sox in the American League, but wouldn't mind a Yankees-Cardinals series, since they are like the top two winningest teams in the World Series.


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