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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:36 am 
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I buy most of my cd's online and a large % used through amazon z-shops or half.com.

I just received a cd in the mail on a half.com order for a Bo Diddley cd and I don' t quite now what to think.

The seller sent me an old version of Bo Diddley's Gunslinger album which has been reissued with bonus tracks and included a cdr with his felt pen handwriting on a 2nd disc including these bonus tracks.

My first reaction was to be appalled that he would sell something that he had no right to sell. My second reaction was that I don't recall really whether or not I had any expectation to receive said extra tracks or not. I was buying used and I don't know whether I had any reason or not to expect that I'd get the full reissue. If not, I suppose this guy might have been being nice in throwing in these extras. Its pretty clear that he bought the reissue which is why he was selling it to begin with. I only paid $5 so its not like I'm feeling financially ripped off. I'm just bothered that this guy is selling a cdr of bonus tracks. Although I wasn't expecting 'em so I didn't necessarily pay for a cd and get a cdr instead.

I'm really confused as to whether I should be thankful or pissed off or ambivalent (which I will probably be regardless in a few days). Would be curious especially as to Spade Kitty's reaction as he owns a label and has changed his mind a few times as to what's acceptable or not in the trading world.


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Can you go back and see what comments he wrote on the site before you bought it? I'd be pissed, obviously, if he said it was the reissue version...


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Awhile ago, I bought the dvd of Session 9 on Ebay. When I got it, it turned out to be a burned copy, which I didn't want. The guy clearly didn't state it was a burned copy in the Ebay listing, most likely to protect himself. I was pissed off but I got my money back. I kinda sold it to a friend but I only charged him like $3, which was the cost of mailing it so I really didn't make any money off it. I dunno, I have some weird thing about only buying real dvd's.

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To me, you probably bought the album for the core album itself. True, you wanted the remastered, reissued version, but for the most part, you wanted the album itself. I would chalk this up to buyer beware. I think we've all had experiences with online buying which taints the experience, but in the long-run doesn't really affect us into never going back down that road. If I were you, I would contact the seller, and gently tell them that the cd is not what you ordered (or what expected), and that you will notify half.com as to him selling a bootleg. This will probably be enough for him to a)send you the real copy, or b)send you your money back.

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To me, you probably bought the album for the core album itself. True, you wanted the remastered, reissued version, but for the most part, you wanted the album itself. I would chalk this up to buyer beware. I think we've all had experiences with online buying which taints the experience, but in the long-run doesn't really affect us into never going back down that road. If I were you, I would contact the seller, and gently tell them that the cd is not what you ordered (or what expected), and that you will notify half.com as to him selling a bootleg. This will probably be enough for him to a)send you the real copy, or b)send you your money back.


I guess you didn't read his post. He sent the regular cd, which is now out in a 2 disc remastered version, and included a copy of the 2nd disc. I'd be more mad at myself for buying this when there was a 2 disc version out.

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shiv Wrote:
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To me, you probably bought the album for the core album itself. True, you wanted the remastered, reissued version, but for the most part, you wanted the album itself. I would chalk this up to buyer beware. I think we've all had experiences with online buying which taints the experience, but in the long-run doesn't really affect us into never going back down that road. If I were you, I would contact the seller, and gently tell them that the cd is not what you ordered (or what expected), and that you will notify half.com as to him selling a bootleg. This will probably be enough for him to a)send you the real copy, or b)send you your money back.


I guess you didn't read his post. He sent the regular cd, which is now out in a 2 disc remastered version, and included a copy of the 2nd disc. I'd be more mad at myself for buying this when there was a 2 disc version out.


Yeah you pretty much got it..exept that its not really supposed to be a 2 disc version. Just there's a remaster out there with 4 bonus tracks that I'm only receiving via this burned cdr (which only has the 4 tracks). If I just got the original disc with the original 10 songs, I probably would never have noticed. I just feel weird that this guy burned the four extra tracks and included 'em with what he sold to me. I should probably feel thankful, but it just seems weird - like he's selling something he doesn't have a right to sell.


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dr winston o'boogie Wrote:
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To me, you probably bought the album for the core album itself. True, you wanted the remastered, reissued version, but for the most part, you wanted the album itself. I would chalk this up to buyer beware. I think we've all had experiences with online buying which taints the experience, but in the long-run doesn't really affect us into never going back down that road. If I were you, I would contact the seller, and gently tell them that the cd is not what you ordered (or what expected), and that you will notify half.com as to him selling a bootleg. This will probably be enough for him to a)send you the real copy, or b)send you your money back.


I guess you didn't read his post. He sent the regular cd, which is now out in a 2 disc remastered version, and included a copy of the 2nd disc. I'd be more mad at myself for buying this when there was a 2 disc version out.


Yeah you pretty much got it..exept that its not really supposed to be a 2 disc version. Just there's a remaster out there with 4 bonus tracks that I'm only receiving via this burned cdr (which only has the 4 tracks). If I just got the original disc with the original 10 songs, I probably would never have noticed. I just feel weird that this guy burned the four extra tracks and included 'em with what he sold to me. I should probably feel thankful, but it just seems weird - like he's selling something he doesn't have a right to sell.


I wrote something more bitchy before...sorry if anyone read that as I'm not in the greatest of moods. As I see it you have 3 choices. bitch to half.com, bitch to seller, or do nothing and accept it. It sucks that you were expecting one thing and got another, but as I stated before, thats the rope when you're ordering online.

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Flying Rabbit Wrote:
Actually I did read the post. My point is that, he may have ordered this "snazzed" up version but the crux of the purchase was to have the album. The real album, and probably not the special bonus tracks. With this being said, since he received this erroneous 2nd disc of bonus tracks, he should take one of three actions. Bitch to the seller, bitch to half.com, or do nothing. I understand he wanted the remastered version but he didn't receive it so its really simple as to the actions he can take. I really feel like I'm repeating myself.


Well you're right -- I guess -- about my options. I'm 99% sure that I'm just gonna do nothing and just not give the guy any feedback. My point wasn't that I'd ordered a remastered version and gotten an original, non-remastered version + a cdr of bonus tracks. That may or may not be the case. In any case, half & ebay often have only one version of an album in their database that people can list. And this dude that I bought from priced his $3-4 less than most everyone else. So I'm not surprised or offended that its not a complete remastered version.

I'm more surprised that when I lifted the case that there was this handwritten on cdr beneath containing xtra tracks. Like I said, if I'd only received 10 tracks, I probably would neither have noticed nor cared. I just feel weird having paid for something and received a cd-r of stuff even if I wasn't expecting it. One reaction -- perhaps legitimate -- would be to think hey this guy burned the extra tracks for me...cool.

Still, it just seems weird to me. I was wondering what a gut level reaction people would have. Not a "check what you ordered" type reaction. I could figure out to do that myself if I cared to argue about $5, which I don't. Still it seems to me that he either ripped me off or ripped Bo Diddley off, even if its small scale.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:27 am 
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I would feel weird as well. In my estimation though, I would've just been happy to get the cd, and probably would've said to myself, "am I ok with having paid this amount for a non-remastered version of this album?" If the answer was yes, then I'd be ok with it obviously and bear no grudge. It is odd, and maybe you can feel a bit deceived but in the end, like I said, didn't you order it for the album itself?

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I would feel weird as well. In my estimation though, I would've just been happy to get the cd, and probably would've said to myself, "am I ok with having paid this amount for a non-remastered version of this album?" If the answer was yes, then I'd be ok with it obviously and bear no grudge. It is odd, and maybe you can feel a bit deceived but in the end, like I said, didn't you order it for the album itself?


You're ignoring the second half of the question. I didn't feel the overall "was I ripped off on my $5?" part important but since it keeps coming up I checked. the actual listing said "perfect copy...." and was priced a few dollars cheaper when all others. When you clicked on the more details (which I probably didn't)...it reveals "NOT REMASTERED VERSION"

I'm guessing most people given that would have the "hey cool bonus tracks" reaction. To me I'm still not sure how I feel. At least part of me is offended that this guy burned stuff he really didn't have any right to and included them as part of a sale even if I'm the beneficiary.


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Send him back a really bad mix cd.

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No, I did think about the question you posed, and at this point time I would factor into my response that the monetary issue was a little more important, at least for me.

As for the morality question? Hrm. Yeah I would be a little weirded at the burned cd. I remember back in the day, the record store in my college town offered bootlegs that they burned as a want basis. All my friends were fawning over these copies, and I always thought there was something perverted over it. I still don't go for such antics, and I'm a large proponent of --if you dl it, and dig it, buy it. Simple as that. Going way off topic here, so to wind myself back in, yes, it is odd and I would feel sort of odd in the manner of receiving it.

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I wrote something more bitchy before...sorry if anyone read that as I'm not in the greatest of moods. As I see it you have 3 choices. bitch to half.com, bitch to seller, or do nothing and accept it. It sucks that you were expecting one thing and got another, but as I stated before, thats the rope when you're ordering online.

Read the description - if it was being sold used on a page for the remaster with bonus tracks, you should be expecting the real remaster with bonus tracks. Report him and get your money back - it doesn't matter how much you paid. If it was on the page for the original, then you got the original and a(n) (illegal) bonus. Me, I would be pissed if I'd ordered a used copy of an album that was supposed to be remastered and got the original. Most of the time, I'm ordering the remaster because I don't want the original! Complain, get your money back. I've done it many times - most of the time, it's simply a stupid seller who wasn't paying attention. This time the guy seems to actually know he's selling you something incorrect and attempted to make good by giving you the bonus tracks probably thinking that people buy remasters only for the bonuses. Wrong!

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You're ignoring the second half of the question. I didn't feel the overall "was I ripped off on my $5?" part important but since it keeps coming up I checked. the actual listing said "perfect copy...." and was priced a few dollars cheaper when all others. When you clicked on the more details (which I probably didn't)...it reveals "NOT REMASTERED VERSION"

I'm guessing most people given that would have the "hey cool bonus tracks" reaction. To me I'm still not sure how I feel. At least part of me is offended that this guy burned stuff he really didn't have any right to and included them as part of a sale even if I'm the beneficiary.


Since we get another hat tossed on the "was I ripped off on my $5?" version, I'm going to try and address your actual concern.

I understand the moral dilemma of receiving an unauthorized duplicate of the bonus tracks. For some reason, my gut tells me to give this guy the benefit of the doubt. He does reveal that it is not the remastered version (this goes double if it's in all caps as you transcribed), so I have a preponderance of good faith in the seller. He doesn't appear to be deceptive in his description.

Now, we all know that customers never make mistakes, so I'm sure he's received all sorts of threats on his person and family for advertising one product and selling another. All sorts of clowns demanding their money back, plus interest and a percentage of his homesale price since this seller didn't tell them something they didn't bother to read.

So he started burning the bonuses and sending them with the copy to help lessen the blow of complaints from stupid consumers who don't read.

Yes, he's ripping off Bo Diddley, but I don't think his intentions are all that wrong. If he had a crate full of the original Gunslinger issue and was packing them all with CD-R bonus tracks, that might be different. But I would be reluctant to assume he has very many copies. I would also not be surprised if he does this on most albums that he sells that have been reissued, but I still think it's a preventive measure.

I guess I would equate this with getting something you didn't order at a restaurant--maybe something comp'ed because they are busy, even though there is no lapse in service--and they don't charge you for it anyway.

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if he did say in part of the description, 'not rremastered version' then he wasnt misleading you... as for sending the bonus cd-r, its a judgement call on whether it was a right or wrong thing to do....you got it cheaper then normal, and you got the bonus songs....good enough, no?

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Send him back a really bad mix cd.

Good plan, except Billy G is incapable of making a bad mix CD.


And my opinion is that this guy technically isn't selling CDRs of the bonus tracks. He's selling the original Bo Diddley CD release - that's what he's advertising and that's what the customer expects from the transaction - and the CDR is merely a free bonus.

The constant glut of re-releases with bonus tracks is going to lead to more and more of this sort of thing. Deservedly so, IMO. How many times can the industry expect a fan to buy the same album?


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this guy technically isn't selling CDRs of the bonus tracks. He's selling the original Bo Diddley CD release - that's what he's advertising and that's what the customer expects from the transaction - and the CDR is merely a free bonus.


Not that sending out this free, unadvertised bonus is legally a-ok, but it's better than explicitly selling CD-Rs of this stuff.


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