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Is this guy really worth that much cash?
I realize that this brings him up to par with some grossly overpaid coaches in the SEC, and it isn't out of the ordinary anymore, it just seems that it is a little high for a coach who despite overachieving this year lost three games and failed to compete for the NC a couple years back when they were suppose to be loaded with talent.
I guess my view is a little tainted by Nebraska firing a coach who had a similar record as to what Richt has now, and that we thought it was outrageous when they supposedly offered Nutt this sort of cash for three years.


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Yes, he is worth it, and the rumor is that he is getting this cos Miami is going to jettison Coker, and Miami and FSU are his 'outs.'

He is a rock solid recruiter, good coach and good guy to boot. And its much harder to compete for a National Championship coming out of the SEC, specifically the East, than any other conference.

You have to consider that every year, UGA has to play Florida, Tennessee and Auburn, plus instate rival TEch, and now that Spurrier is at USC, it gets that much crazier. To win every game in that conference, you need luck, you need skill and you need DEPTH.

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I thought Richt was the 2nd best coach in the SEC when Saban was here. 2 mill per year is expected for a top coach in the SEC. Fulmer makes that and the wheels are falling off that wagon. Tubs can't be too far from that figure either. The amount of cash these teams generate down here makes it worth every penny.

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Yes, he is worth it, and the rumor is that he is getting this cos Miami is going to jettison Coker, and Miami and FSU are his 'outs.'

He is a rock solid recruiter, good coach and good guy to boot. And its much harder to compete for a National Championship coming out of the SEC, specifically the East, than any other conference.

You have to consider that every year, UGA has to play Florida, Tennessee and Auburn, plus instate rival TEch, and now that Spurrier is at USC, it gets that much crazier. To win every game in that conference, you need luck, you need skill and you need DEPTH.


I can accept paying a man not to leave, because you'd be fucked without him. I don't necessarily buy the conference explanation, but I get where you are coming from. It just seems to be a ridiculous amount of money for what he's done so far. I guess he should be making the same sort of cash as Fulmer, who seems to have used his awesome recruits in a worse way than Mack Brown had ever done at Texas.


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I guess Nebraskans are way too tight to reward a coach for how much revenue is brought in by the team, since this place would lead the nation in unemployment status if it wasn't for those 250+ sellouts.
They'll be raking in even more cash with the extra 6,500 seats at $50 a pop.


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I think Richt is overrated as a play caller. He is a good recruiter, but in clutch situations his teams never play to the talent they have. It has pissed me off since he started in Athens (starting with the DUMB ASS playclock/end-zone debacle against Auburn). UGA has so much fucking cash, this is like pocket change to keep him in town.


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I think Richt is overrated as a play caller. He is a good recruiter, but in clutch situations his teams never play to the talent they have. It has pissed me off since he started in Athens (starting with the DUMB ASS playclock/end-zone debacle against Auburn). UGA has so much fucking cash, this is like pocket change to keep him in town.

I'll agree with this, especially that Auburn play, but if dude gets in the Zone, Richt's a genius, just like teh Verron Haynes Fullback Under play from Tennessee that same year.

He does make questionable calls sometimes, but I'd rather keep him than let him get away to Miami or FSU.

The one thing that I REALLY love about him is that when he came to Athens he said he didn't want to leave FSU unless it was to coach in a place where he knew he would stay 25 years. I hope he stays longer.

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52 games in five years is all you need to know.

I'll take him as my coach and beat the brains in out of just about anybody more often than not

I do wish that he would hurry up and elevate Mike Bobo to Offensive Coordinator and relieve some of the play calling stress, because there is no way in hey-hey Hell he is bringing in an outside guy.

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it was to coach in a place where he knew he would stay 25 years. I hope he stays longer.


We felt the same way about Saban.

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UGA=6th most wins in the nation since 2001 (Richt's Arrival)

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Solich was 58-19 in his six years, I guess it is all do to the fact that Jim Donnan is no Tom Osborne. Though Donnan was 32-15 in his four days.


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Solich was 58-19 in his six years, I guess it is all do to the fact that Jim Donnan is no Tom Osborne. Though Donnan was 32-15 in his four days.


Donnan wasn't bad, but his lack of ability to speak English, lack of ability to control his players, and lack of ability to stick with a game plan (abandoning the run, reliance on trick plays) did not keep an enduring faith in Donnan alive.

Goober Goff was more of our Solich ... first coach post-Dooley.

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Senator Top Cat LooGAR Wrote:
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Solich was 58-19 in his six years, I guess it is all do to the fact that Jim Donnan is no Tom Osborne. Though Donnan was 32-15 in his four days.


Donnan wasn't bad, but his lack of ability to speak English, lack of ability to control his players, and lack of ability to stick with a game plan (abandoning the run, reliance on trick plays) did not keep an enduring faith in Donnan alive.

Goober Goff was more of our Solich ... first coach post-Dooley.


Agree on both of these.

Donnan's lack of control over player behavior shocked even me. The dude was basically running an NFL farm team but failing to get anything out of these players on the field. (I mean, when you have Marcus Stroud, Charles Grant, and future HOF'er Richard Seymour on the D-line and they NEVER played hard even though you knew they were incredible talents, something be wrong in Boyton)

Donnan also lost three in a row to Tech and was, I believe, 1-7 versus Florida and UT....

Also Jim: That three step drop quick pass to the right on first down STILL isn't fooling anybody no matter how many different sets you run it out of.

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Solich was 58-19 in his six years, I guess it is all do to the fact that Jim Donnan is no Tom Osborne. Though Donnan was 32-15 in his four days.


Donnan wasn't bad, but his lack of ability to speak English, lack of ability to control his players, and lack of ability to stick with a game plan (abandoning the run, reliance on trick plays) did not keep an enduring faith in Donnan alive.

Goober Goff was more of our Solich ... first coach post-Dooley.


Agree on both of these.

Donnan's lack of control over player behavior shocked even me. The dude was basically running an NFL farm team but failing to get anything out of these players on the field. (I mean, when you have Marcus Stroud, Charles Grant, and future HOF'er Richard Seymour on the D-line and they NEVER played hard even though you knew they were incredible talents, something be wrong in Boyton)

Donnan also lost three in a row to Tech and was, I believe, 1-7 versus Florida and UT....

Also Jim: That three step drop quick pass to the right on first down STILL isn't fooling anybody no matter how many different sets you run it out of.


I had forgotten (how!?) those 3 losses to Tech...UT and UF were hard during those years, and that 1997 game may have been the best game UGA ever played against Florida (ROBERT EDWARDS REAL STREET NIGGA!!) but the whole Stroud, Seymour and CGrant thing begs for Schnellenberger.

Oh, and dudes like CGrant were getting busted for PANDERING!! Not DUI, not Beat-A-Bitch, PANDERING.

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Those Tech losses: I think Ralph "FAAAAAAAAT" Friedgen and George O'Leary just straight up out game planned us. Didnt hurt that Joe Ham was their QB for two of the wins and that Godsy made that Vick-like TD run in the third win.

Also, they stole that one game on a bad call which brings up another reason why JD got fired:

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Those Tech losses: I think Ralph "FAAAAAAAAT" Friedgen and George O'Leary just straight up out game planned us. Didnt hurt that Joe Ham was their QB for two of the wins and that Godsy made that Vick-like TD run in the third win.

Also, they stole that one game on a bad call which brings up another reason why JD got fired:

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Yeah, that one game (1999) was utter shite. And say what you want, but Jasper was STREET.

And, a topic we really haven't broached, is the amount of white running through McWhorter at that point. I'd bet it rivaled the latter Switzer years at OK...oh, and Donnan coached under Switzer.

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Also, you had a 24 year old quarterback with a pocketful of money from his pro baseball days buying Gallons of Henny and shit (you know this first hand from working at 5 Pts Bottle)

And yeah, it was white line fever for sure....Also, dat WEEG. When a brother from fucking Peach County comes to Athens and starts smoking that serious Dankity Dank and scamming that white cooze....well, laziness ensues.

In retrospect, they definitely needed to bring in a Jesus freak like Richt or we would probably have an SMU situation on our hands by now.

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I agree with every reason that was given in this thread for why we should give him the money.

IMO he's worth more. He's no even the highest paid coach in the SEC. Also, since his first contract he has been surpassed in salary by several coaches. The deal is for 8 years. If he doesn't leave he'll be grossly underpaid in 8 years as the price for good coaches continues to rise.


Contract aside, the guy has won 2 SEC championships in the last 4 years and taken us to 3 and taken us to a bowl game every year and 2 Sugar Bowls. We had not won an SEC championship since 83 when he came.

What more do you want from a coach? Nobody can do what Pete Carrol has done at USC. Nobody has ever won 3 straight Nat'l Championships. That is rare what he did. The most you can ask for is to win your conference and be in the hunt to win it all.

Football is king down here and the coaches are SO important at the college level. You should know Lib, Osbourne won in a landslide when he ran for office. Do you think he would've done that if he had been 35-64 in his first 5 years?


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to me sec coaches always end up being more like jim boeheim or lute olsen in college basketball. they always have good teams and are always a threat of winning the championship, but for one reason or another never end up doing it.


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to me sec coaches always end up being more like jim boeheim or lute olsen in college basketball. they always have good teams and are always a threat of winning the championship, but for one reason or another never end up doing it.



You mean like Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, and LSU in the last 10 years.


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shit, yeah, on second thought, theres no way that comment can be backed up.


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What more do you want from a coach? Nobody can do what Pete Carrol has done at USC. Nobody has ever won 3 straight Nat'l Championships. That is rare what he did. The most you can ask for is to win your conference and be in the hunt to win it all.


For the record, Pete Carroll has only one Nat'l Championship. Last three BCS National Champions (which, BTW is the system that all of these schools agreed to, so dont even give me that AP Champions crap. If that was the case, UGA would have won at least 14 titles since 1980 as the Krauth Family Champions):

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Also, you had a 24 year old quarterback with a pocketful of money from his pro baseball days buying Gallons of Henny and shit (you know this first hand from working at 5 Pts Bottle)

And yeah, it was white line fever for sure....Also, dat WEEG. When a brother from fucking Peach County comes to Athens and starts smoking that serious Dankity Dank and scamming that white cooze....well, laziness ensues.

In retrospect, they definitely needed to bring in a Jesus freak like Richt or we would probably have an SMU situation on our hands by now.


Oh yeah, remember when I told you the 2000 season would be a disaster because of the amount of Asti Rick Seymour was drankin?

And yeah, good weed, white cooze, ready checks from boosters.
That way of doing things works with dudes like MIrvin and his ilk, but them Souf Jawga boys just want some loose shoes, tight pussy and a warm place to shit ;)

And Derris, thank you for adding that. Sometimes we forget that GA's inability to win a national championship isn't really all that crazy...and Richt (and HOPE, ATL Growth and a resurgent economy) really has made UGA a must look for many prized national recruits.

Just look at Alabama and Auburn for how NOT to treat your coaches, and you'll get a hint as to why Derris is correct when he says Richt's worth a lot more.

BTW -- Derris, jump on AIM and I got some shee to send you.

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My only rebuttals on the Osborne comment by Derris is that he would have struggled to win had he been a Democrat, but since he is essentially a teatotaler, Christian Republican he had no trouble winning a race in Western Nebraska.
Plus, he nearly left Nebraska for Colorado early on due to the fact most people thought he was a hack compared to Devaney. It took him five years to beat OU, only to lose to them in a bowl game that year. He also lost seven straight bowl games from 1987-1993 and was saddled with a reputation worse than Mack Brown for not being able to win the big games and compete with the Florida Powerhouse teams.
It took him 21yrs to win a title, nobody really gets that much time unless they are guys like Fischer Deberrry, Sonny Lubick and possibly Dan McCarney at Iowa State. Only at a school where winning consistantly with mediocre talent and a low budget, do you get that sort of time.
Before the whole Solich/Peterson fiasco here, the rule in college football was that if you avoided getting your team put on probation and won at least nine games a year, you were safe. That isn't the case anymore after Solich and even Ron Zook.


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Before the whole Solich/Peterson fiasco here, the rule in college football was that if you avoided getting your team put on probation and won at least nine games a year, you were safe. That isn't the case anymore after Solich and even Ron Zook.


Agreed. And its goddamn Gary Barnett's fault. When other people saw that you could take Northwestern to the Rose Bowl, they started expecting the quick fix everywhere.

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