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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:03 pm 
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is it the songwriting or the song that's licensed? like, what about live versions?

for instance, if you were to put a live version of a song in a tv show or movie, would it have to go through the same procedure as the recorded song?


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well, would the songwriting actually change in the live version?

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It's the song and the performance.

Performance is what causes things like the Beloved/opera singer debacle; 'song' is how most artists get royalties.

I probably shouldn't pipe up -- most every time I pipe up with law stuff, a real lawyer like Stone or Haq pipe up and correct.

So -- please correct me if I'm wrong.

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What I don't understand is why stuff has to get re-licensed, such as songs licensed for movies that have to get re-licensed when that very same movie gets released on VHS and DVD.

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Dusty's right that there are 2 seperate copyrights - one in the underlying work (the song) and another in the recording. It depends what you mean by "live version." If you mean an artist's performance of their song, you probably will have to get permission from the artist. Actually, even if it's you performing the song you will have to negotiate for performance rights, which are different from recording/distribution rights. So you probably need permission. But it would help to know more details.


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what haq said.

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What I don't understand is why stuff has to get re-licensed, such as songs licensed for movies that have to get re-licensed when that very same movie gets released on VHS and DVD.


This also is probably a result of the fact that a copyright actually confers several individual rights (a "bundle" of rights, to use the popular metaphor), including performance and distribution. Showing a film in the theater is, I'm almost certain, a "performance." Selling it on DVD is "distribution." So you need to negotiate for both.


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Right, what HaqDeez said.

Publishers administer the copyright or intellectual property aspect of a work. It's not solely to do with performance, per se. I think the old disjuncture used to be between the physical recording and the sheet music, the latter of which represented the published material. A live rendition of another's recorded song requires only a mechanical (publishing) license. A cover version of a recorded song also only requires a mechanical license. Artists gain royalties from both aspects of music licensing and the sale of music, unit/physical and mechanical/intellectual.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:30 pm 
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thanks, everyone.

i was really only asking because i saw a movie over the weekend that had almost all live versions of songs in it and i wondered if it was to keep the licensing costs down.


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License? Isn't it right there on the bumper?

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