Who is the PR guy that said "Hey illegals, put down the Mexican flags, and start waving American flags!"

Did all the illegals get text messages or emails regarding the flag waving?

i don't get it.

All illegals should be sent to Nicaragua.

They caught flack from the earlier protests where they were flying Mexican/national flags.


But I think most of the people protesting aren't illegals, just people who see this whole immigration fight as another in a long line of persecutions.

oh ok. so they think it's more effective to wave American flags i guess?

my impression was that a very large percentage of the illegal population knew that there would be surveillance/COINTELPRO happenings going on and avoided the protests mostly.

Does it seem to anyone else that these protests are being largely underreported, considering that many of them are the largestprotests in their city's history?

also, does anyone think building a fucking 700 mile wall will do a goddamned thing? and if so, are we build a wall on the northern border, too?

Dude, walls always work.

Yep.

And cotton -- I think there is only one way to actually stop illegal immigration, and that is to punish the folks that hire them. And by punish I mean, felonies, jail time, and asset seizure. We all know the Repubs won't do it because they are in hock to businesses, and Dems won't because they will be seen as "anti business" -- even though they get painted with that brush no matter what.

SHEFRAC is Hispanic, and when I told her about my "Million Mang March" post, she actually laughed for several minutes. Shocked the hell out of me, actually. She's typically more annoyed than amused by my attempts at humor.

np: Andrew Bird - "Fake Palindromes"

I couldn't agree with you more. Instead, though we're gonna punish priests and social workers. BACKWARDS.

I'd like to see how far these people would get marching in the streets of Mexico and Venezuela holding up American flags.

how is punishing priests backwards?

i agree with Loog, but i also feel more should be done to make sure illegals cannot just walk right into our country. something more than a barbed wire fence.

I'd rather have a bunch of working immigrants than a bunch of non-working welfare collectors. Just sayin'.

That's a bit more problematic...I don't know if you mean you want to DISCOURAGE them from wanting to be here? or just harder in general?

Don't really know why they are a problem, as long as they are in the tent pissin out, and not outside the tent pissin in.

Sweet Got-damn. I agree with Billz.

W. T. F.

No shit. Who's gonna do the jobs we won't do now in this country? It's more than big business. Mom & Pop farmers and their elk are in bed with this too and tons of others. Untill we're willing to do crappy jobs for no pay again, I don't really see a solution.

when they're giving food to a starving person you think that should count as a felony?

Higher minimum wage? Believe me, there are people in this country that would do those jobs if they got paid adequately for them.

Anybody ever seen that movie "A Day Without a Mexican?" I've heard about it, but have never seen it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377744/

I would agree with this but know too many people in business who have what are pretty well known to be illegals as employess (c'mon, it's Texas), but they have social security cards. How do you question someone's ability to work in this country for you when they are giving you the only documentation required?

Where they get this, who knows. But as an employer is it your job to research the source of everyone's documentation before hiring an eligile employee?

The law's all about putting burdens on whomever it takes to serve its ends. So it costs employers a little more to hire someone (there are plenty of not-too-costly measures you can take to verify someone's status that are far stronger than just looking at a piece of cardboard)... I don't think legislators & judges will have a problem giving them that responsibility.

Fake SS cards abound. My wife worked at a temp agency for a while--and they would lose a number of contracts because they wouldn't knowingly send illegals to an assignment. The practice is to send 'em for a day or two until the paperwork comes back having failed the background check. Some of the SS cards are laughable. Her firm wouldn't destroy or confiscate the cards, but they would inform the applicant that the card was not acceptable.

As for the minimum wage, it's not going to do much. Companies that hire illegals are already breaking the law, raising the minimum wage only makes the reward for hiring illegals below minimum that much more lucrative.

Loogar's right--if you want to stop this, you have to go after the employers. They're the only ones with something to lose. If the illegal immigrant is deported, they're no worse off than when they started--nothing ventured, nothing gained.

The real issue here is the extended families. The matriarch and patriarch have been living here, working legally. They have families, with kids who may have been born in the home country but moved here with the family. These kids become illegal once they reach majority--illegal in the only homes and neighborhoods these kids have known.

It's not all about someone jumping the fence and taking a crap job. A lot of this is institutionalized.

how about the hundreds of thousands of African Americans that are on welfare, or can't find jobs because they're already taken by an illegal.

maybe them.

Uh, I don't know where you were watching your news, but I couldn't escape it yesterday, being in Phoenix where an estimated 250,000 marched.

I understand why the immigrants are upset but they have to realize that you cannot live in this country, work in this country, and get paid in this country legally without paying taxes, etc. I don't care if they're here, I just want them to pay taxes like everyone else who works and lives in the US does. I'd also like it if they didn't send all their money back to relatives in Mexico, but how do you stop that?

I don't see why it's such an issue for these people to become citizens. Let's just say that we gave them the opportunity, no questions asked, no discrimination, of becoming citizens. They can vote, they pay taxes, etc. Would that appease the ones that are here illegally now? yet I don't see anyone who says that would solve their problems. It just seems to me, based on what I've been seeing and reading, that they don't really want to have to do anything to work here in the US, and that is just plain not acceptable.

On the flag issue, a LOT of people were very upset about them carrying their Mexican flags. And, really, it's pretty insulting - they're out there bitching about not being taken seriously as citizens but they won't give up the flag of their homeland? I think protestors carrying signs in Spanish is just as bad. Those signs say only one thing - "we don't want to be a part of you, we just want all the benefits of being here." Come here, fly the flag we all fly, and while we're at it, speak the language we all speak. They're supposedly coming here for a better life and to be a part of America. That desire doesn't seem very believable when they refuse to adapt to our culture and instead insist on saturating ours with theirs to the point that ours doesn't exist.

THEY'RE TAKING OUR JOBS!!!! 5% unemployment = need these people.

Dalen, do you have a personalized license plate that says "IH8NGRS"?

Seriously, there aren't many people just sitting around collecting DAT CHECK from teh gummint, black or white...