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SWORD FRIGHT
Shocking film of gang battle in Scots car park
By Magnus Gardham

TWO gangs fight a pitched battle with swords and machetes - but this isn't a martial arts movie, it's real-life Scotland in 2006.

The shocking CCTV film shows a dozen armed men - whose weapons included samurai swords - battling it out earlier this year.

Police released the pictures as they welcomed a new crackdown on Scotland's deadly blade culture.

Under Executive plans, there will be a near total ban on the sale of swords. Shops will have to be licensed to sell any non-domestic knives.

Police chiefs reinforced the need for the measures by showing the terrifying footage.

Filmed at a Glasgow car park late at night on April 28, it shows two gangs of hooded men squaring up to each other, brandishing vicious weapons including swords and giant machetes.

Blows are exchanged but then a number of men run to a Ford Focus and flee the scene before police arrive.

Cops said they were not aware of any injuries and nobody was ever arrested over the incident.

Detective Chief Inspector John Carnochan, head of St rathclyde Police violence reduction unit, said it showed the scale of Scotland's blade culture.

He said: "Far too many people, particularly young men, view the carrying of knives as acceptable. We need to get the message over this is absolutely unacceptable in 21st century Scotland.

"Clearly, a licensing scheme on its own won't solve the deep-rooted culture of violence which is prevalent in parts of Scotland. But it will have an impact."

Sales of swords will be banned for all but "religious, cultural and sporting" purposes.

Shops will have to take the names and addresses of customers buying hunting knives, meat cleavers and other non-domestic blades. Unlicensed retailers caught selling knives will face jail.

The scheme - to come into force next year- will be policed by trading standards officers.

Other anti-blade measures come into force on September 1. They include tougher sentences for possession and raising the minimum age for buying a knife from 16 to 18.

Last year, 72 people died from stab wounds in Scotland. But there were 1300 reported blade attacks in Strathclyde alone, most in public places and most committed using a lock-knife.

Police believe twice as many more are going unreported.

A&E doctors at Glasgow Royal Infirmary treat two or three blade wounds daily on average. Two or three a week are life-threatening.

Consultant Rudy Crawford said: "I think the crackdown will have an effect.

"But we also need to get the message across to people that it is not just police and politicians who have a responsibility here.

"It is all of us in society. We should not allow our sons or friends to go out carrying weapons."

The moves were officially announced by Justice Minister Cathy Jamieson during a visit to London Road police station in Glasgow.

She said: "It is simply far too easy for these weapons to be bought and sold. I'm confident we can drive down knife crime, keep it down and break its grip on Scotland once and for all."


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About 10 year ago I was in a pub in the East End of Glasgow and two guys came in. One pulled a sword (more a 'Braveheart' style claymore than a samurai) out from his trouser leg and proceeded to bash a guy that was sitting at a table over the head with it. Then they ran away.

The best 'Glasgow' weapons are the infamous Stanley-knife-taped-to-the-top-of-a-claw-hammer and of course that hardy staple, the saw-off golf club.

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(more a 'Braveheart' style claymore than a samurai)


:lol:

Of course!


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I opened the thread up thinking it said "Scotland's BLAND culture" - oh well..


uh oh, you better run....this dude's after you...

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holy shit, Darrin, are kids like these all over the place there?

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holy shit, Darrin, are kids like these all over the place there?

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Think of them as the Scottish equivalent of Civil War reenactors.


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it's way better than point- blank shootings we have here


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it's way better than point- blank shootings we have here


huuuuh???

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AThe best 'Glasgow' weapons are the infamous Stanley-knife-taped-to-the-top-of-a-claw-hammer and of course that hardy staple, the saw-off golf club.


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Dalen, where does dropping a stack of encyclopedias on someone rate as compared to point blank shootings and sword attacks.

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Dalen Wrote:
holy shit, Darrin, are kids like these all over the place there?

http://www.pjyst.tk/


Oh yeah, the 'Neds' (collective noun) are everywhere. The gang in my area is the Levi Toi, although they don't really have any serious opposition so you don't get too many full on battles. Still there's been two stabbing murders and a fire bombing on my street since I moved here.

If you go into the bigger housing schemes, where every block of streets has a decent sized 'posse' it can get pretty wild. The Glasgow term for bad areas like that is 'Apache Land' cause if you walk through it you'll get scalped. And believe me, there's a lot of 'Apache Land'.

I see you discovered a Ned website. Most of the internet cafes in Glasgow got closed down because of gang violence. The gangs would Instant Message each other to arrange fights and quite a lot of the time they would break out in the actual cafe. It's probably the only city in the world were you get frisked by a huge security guard to get into an internet cafe.

I could go about this for a long time because I have a life times experience of these little cunts but bringing it back to music, the first two Mogwai albums are named after gangs. 'Young Team' and 'C.O.D.Y' '(Come On Die Young). A couple of the guys in the band were social workers before they became full time musicians.

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Dalen Wrote:
holy shit, Darrin, are kids like these all over the place there?

http://www.pjyst.tk/


Oh yeah, the 'Neds' (collective noun) are everywhere. The gang in my area is the Levi Toi, although they don't really have any serious opposition so you don't get too many full on battles. Still there's been two stabbing murders and a fire bombing on my street since I moved here.

If you go into the bigger housing schemes, where every block of streets has a decent sized 'posse' it can get pretty wild. The Glasgow term for bad areas like that is 'Apache Land' cause if you walk through it you'll get scalped. And believe me, there's a lot of 'Apache Land'.

I see you discovered a Ned website. Most of the internet cafes in Glasgow got closed down because of gang violence. The gangs would Instant Message each other to arrange fights and quite a lot of the time they would break out in the actual cafe. It's probably the only city in the world were you get frisked by a huge security guard to get into an internet cafe.

I could go about this for a long time because I have a life times experience of these little cunts but bringing it back to music, the first two Mogwai albums are named after gangs. 'Young Team' and 'C.O.D.Y' '(Come On Die Young). A couple of the guys in the band were social workers before they became full time musicians.



Wow, I didnt know that about Glasgow.


Speaking of Mogwai, someone should do a best of for them.


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Blows are exchanged but then a number of men run to a Ford Focus and flee the scene before police arrive.


Not sure why this made me laugh but it did.

I guess I'm imagining something out of those hideous Capitol One commercials.

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bloody oath they should ban the sale of knives. They may be hell badass, but the only dudes that collect/own knives other than for cooking purposes are fucking freaks and are not to be trusted.

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bloody oath they should ban the sale of knives. They may be hell badass, but the only dudes that collect/own knives other than for cooking purposes are fucking freaks and are not to be trusted.


kind of funny to me, the concept of banning the sale of knives whereas I could go buy a gun (though not a handgun, gotta wait a couple days) today.

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bloody oath they should ban the sale of knives. They may be hell badass, but the only dudes that collect/own knives other than for cooking purposes are fucking freaks and are not to be trusted.


kind of funny to me, the concept of banning the sale of knives whereas I could go buy a gun (though not a handgun, gotta wait a couple days) today.


yeah, btu america is fucked.

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konstantinl Wrote:
Dalen Wrote:
holy shit, Darrin, are kids like these all over the place there?

http://www.pjyst.tk/


I see you discovered a Ned website.


yeah, after you posted that image, i was curious to see what that was all about. there are hundreds of those sites (as you already know), and the kids are so young. very dark.

i had no idea those Mogwai albums were about this as well. :shock:


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konstantinl Wrote:
AThe best 'Glasgow' weapons are the infamous Stanley-knife-taped-to-the-top-of-a-claw-hammer and of course that hardy staple, the saw-off golf club.


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Dalen, where does dropping a stack of encyclopedias on someone rate as compared to point blank shootings and sword attacks.


hahaha, shit i dunno....it could do a world of good :)


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