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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:42 pm 
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Researchers link music tastes to HIV risks by Michel Comte
Thu Aug 17, 2:47 PM ET



US boys hooked on gospel, techno and pop are more at risk of HIV infection than devotees of other musical styles, including "bling, bling" hip hop, according to a new study.

Musical tastes may offer clues to rates of HIV infection, said researchers who tried to decipher the complex behaviors and attitudes of young men in the United States, at a global AIDS conference.

The music industry often says there is no connection between music and sexual behavior, but hundreds of young men interviewed in New York this year fiercely disagreed, said lead researcher Miguel Munoz-Laboy of Columbia University.

They said images of scantily-clad women in submissive roles in hip hop music videos, for example, had a "real impact on their lives," he said.

"There is a connection. You see it in the way people dance, dress and it has an impact on their sexuality," said Munoz-Laboy.

The researchers peered into male youth culture to help develop HIV prevention programs that target this demographic they say is too often neglected by health strategists.

They looked at three New York neighborhoods and interviewed boys aged 16 to 21 about their listening tastes and attitudes toward condom use and sexual activities.

"We often blame youth for their behavior without understanding it," Munoz-Laboy said. "(But) there is a complex story about sexuality, masculinity and culture here."

"It's clear that current schemes are not working," he said.

"It's very hard to get heterosexual young men into HIV prevention programs even though we demonize them a lot for pregnancies and passing on STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) to their girlfriends."

The study did not imply listening to certain types of music causes HIV infection but simply found links between genres and risk factors.

A behavioral analysis divided participants into two musical groups: hip hop, reggae, reggaeton, rap and rhythm and blues; and rock, heavy metal, pop, techno, electronic and gospel.

"Kids would be appalled that we grouped them this way, but this is how they mapped out in the mathematical analysis," Munoz-Laboy said.

Researchers also distinguished between two styles of hip hop: the "bling, bling" hip hop that values fancy cars, money, and many girlfriends; and "real" hip hop that tells of urban youth stricken by violence, poverty and drug abuse.

They found boys who listened to hip hop music were more likely to have vaginal intercourse and had more partners, but boys from church or New York club scenes (techno, pop, electronic) took the most sexual risks.

"Boys who listened to hip hop had more sex and more partners, but it did not impact condom use," said Munoz-Laboy. "Those who are part of religious culture or the club scene used condoms inconsistently."




source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060817/hl_afp/healthaidsusmusic_060817184752&printer=1 soory for no tiny url.

While I think this is interesting to read, I don't think that even mathematical research can prove this as a point.

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Recently I melted The Pet Shop Boys CD in a teaspoon and injected it, sharing the needle with Vince Clarke.

Having read this report I certainly won't be doing that again.

Clarke can bring his own fucking needle in future.

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Gospel??????????


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frostingspoon Wrote:
Gospel??????????


Surely you listen to that after you get aids?

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The most retarded piece of junk "research" I've seen in awhile.

Once again: The way they present this makes it seem like there's a "causal" relationship... WTF? Soooo so dumb. Not to mention dangerous... in terms of giving people stupid superstition-based "research".


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frostingspoon Wrote:
Gospel??????????


What they're doing is saying:

1) "religious kids are not so consistent with condom use"

2) "religious kids listen to gospel"

3) "therefore people who listen to gospel are at a high risk of contracting HIV"


Philosophy 101 = FAILED


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Oh... and we all know how "the gays" love techno and pop... so...


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I mean I've known plenty of Sally-Jesus praise & worship people, but that article just silly.


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I mean I've "known" plenty of Sally-Jesus praise & worship people, but that article just silly.


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they call THAT research!!! show me statistics and numbers and then we'll talk.

f*ckin b.s.

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well sure it is research, and surely it says something.. but what does it say? Not sure there.

As Polly said (and they point out in the article) --there is no way to say whether its casual. However, there seems to be a relationship betweeen music preference and risk factors. So what. Id bet that the relationship would go away if the study was better controlled- or at least they'd find the relationship to be mediated by a third (more important) variable.

Generally Im sceptical because it tends to simply very complex behavioral issues..but thats how science is portrayed to the general public (i.e. MUSIC CAUSES AIDS... ) sensational bs which does a lot more harm (even if only by perpetuating ignorance) than good.


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It's funny too because it's obviously a study done by people who know NOTHING about music. As if music is some kind of foreign chemical thing.

What about us music fiends?

What does it mean if you like Rachmaninoff, the Stooges, Nelly Furtado, and gamelan music?

Am I in danger?


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pollysix Wrote:
It's funny too because it's obviously a study done by people who know NOTHING about music. As if music is some kind of foreign chemical thing.

What about us music fiends?

What does it mean if you like Rachmaninoff, the Stooges, Nelly Furtado, and gamelan music?

Am I in danger?


you might as well just lay down and die now..

seriously though, I dont know what types of questions they asked but in terms of the genres they chose, I think they simply gave names to the 'factors' that fell out of the statistical analyses.. so you see people cluster together and you give that cluster a tag...anyhow, Id like to read the actual research.


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I always use protection when listening to techno, u know rubber around the speakers and what not..

But seriously, how can researchers (if thats what you want to call them) put out an article like that without any statistics and expect it to be valid, its just scaremongering, and nothing more.


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the article was put out from yahoo.. not the researchers.. indictment of the media for sensationalism.. the researchers simply *describe* a relationship that is found statistically, what this means *functionlly* (i.e. how it is interpreted). thats where the problem arises. .


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the article was put out from yahoo.. not the researchers.. indictment of the media for sensationalism.. the researchers simply *describe* a relationship that is found statistically, what this means *functionlly* (i.e. how it is interpreted). thats where the problem arises. .


Oh yes, but the researchers did decide what factors to look at, which makes a statement about what they thought would be worthwhile to look at. There's also a lot to be said about how they (the researchers) wrote up their findings... theoretically, they should include thoughts about what their research might mean in their conclusion.

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Id wager that the results came out of a larger corpus of data -- and what they are looking at is identifying risk factors.. you go where the data lead you. So in a way they didnt choose the factor (i..e music preference) to look at, the data suggested it to them. At least thats my guess. Again., this wasnt an experiment, simply data mining....and some of that mining led to identifying musical preference as a predictor of risk.

but instead of guessing, I should just read the article..but a quick search and I havent been able to locate the relevant reference. It may not even have been published yet


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That article is too funny.


The next health risk link they'll find will be: watching MTV causes increased rates of visual gonorrhea. :lol:

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if you like all 3 genres, pop, gospel & techno, all at once, then you should probably be dead already.

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they call THAT research!!! show me statistics and numbers and then we'll talk.


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