...bit so good, too!


You ever notice just how damn mysogynisic this album is?
Just about every song.

Todd, no man should ever call anything misogynstic.

Stop being a faggot.

My "sensitivity" helped me get laid A LOT in college.

And I never said it stopped me from loving the album.

Did it?



I didnt either.

Hot Rocks, side one:
1. Time Is On My Side ("you'll come back, I know it")
2. Heart Of Stone ("Don't f*ck with me bitch")
3. Play With Fire ("Don't f*ck with me bitch")
4. (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
5. As Tears Go By
6. Get Off My Cloud
7. Mother's Little Helper (making fun of housewives on valium)
8. 19th Nervous Breakdown (making fun of a woman having a nervous breakdown)
9. Paint It Black
10. Under My Thumb (titel says it all)

I've loved this since I first heard in back in grade 6... but my god, I put it on one day and realized it's just song after song of "don't f*ck with me bitch". But then part of me says Nah, it's just sensitive little Mick being all heart broken and 'pushed around' by women and then trying to play it tough. I dunno.

Anyone ever read "The Sex Revolts"? Great book about gender stuff in Rock music. My fav part is the intro where the authors (a man and a woman) say that even though they're pointing out the sexism in the music they still LOVE the Stones, Stranglers, etc...

I used to love playing "Peaches" when I'd DJ. So good. But then of course I'd follow it up with "Oh Bondage, Up Yours!" or some Joan Jett.

Awwwe yeah.

Put yourself in the Stones or most any other huge rock band's place. Even if they love and respect their spouse and mum, 99% of all the women these people encounter on the road are willing to do basically subhuman things just to be near famous people.

Heh. Yeah could be part of it.

It's probably more the fact that they were so inflenced by old American Blues: Robert Johnson "I'm gonna kill that woman" type stuff.

<-- loves Johnson & other old blues.

A simpler time... when beat-a-bitch was fair gme.

when men were men--and women worked on their shoulder blades.

In my all-time Top 10. Seriously.



Fieger always said the album was written from the point of view of a 13 year old boy...others have called it the 1st concept album about teen lust.

I just think it's full of catchy tunes.



Yeah, but when you have to apologize directly afterward, it kinda spoils the fun.

Just to set the record straight: the Stranglers are misogynistic, side one of Hot Rocks isn't.

Lyrics that catalogue the normal push/pull of a human relationship don't point to misogyny, they point to an understanding of base human nature. In any sexual relationship, 9 out of 10 times one person ends up calling the shots - that's the reality the early Stones tapped into. That's what set them apart from the Beatles so brilliantly - they didn't want to hold your hand, you wanted to hold their hand. Now, if Polly had chosen "Stupid Girl" as her example, I would've had to agree with her - but then life as we know it may have come to an end.



Oh, and Pop Todd - surely you remember the anti-misogyny shitstorm that came down when Get The Knack was first released? The T-shirts emblazoned with "Nuke the Knack" - even a gentlemanly band like Squeeze wore them on stage.

Part of the Knack's failure to follow-up that debut was due to Feiger's unapologetic stance towards that misogyny. When he titled the second album But The Little Girls Understand he pretty much creeped out an entire nation. Well, that and the songs sucked too.

Yep. I've got the DVD "Getting The Knack", & there's interview clips in there with the other members of the band saying things to the effect of "Geez...come on...really?" in relation to the even "edgier" lyrics of "...But The Little Girls Understand".

When yer own bandmates start getting skeeved out, somethin's goofy.

Yeah, yeah, you're right--sort of. I guess it was an old thought of mine. Little of it is outright woman-hating... but you've got to admit there's a lot of venom in there---most of it directed at women. I guess "Mother's Little Helper" is more of a social commentary.

Guess life as we know it is going to come to an end. (or a half end).

are we sure Poptodd isn't some sort of bot?

This is why I love the Stones sooooo much better than the frickin' Beatles (the wrath of ayah on my head in 5... 4... 3... 2...)

I think this view of these two bands is really unfair. I think at their time what the Beatles were selling was every bit as dangerous as the Stones.

I'm being bl&wh about it. I'm just talking initial impressions--i.e. when I was in High School. Once I discovered stuff like: "I want you (she's so heavy)" and "Tomorrow never knows" I realized this.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but you're wrong. The Beatles were mostly accepted by parents - they were kind of cute in their matching suits, after all. But the Stones were a whole other level of menace. You'll just have to believe me on this one.

and polly, first teh gheys and now the beatles.
you're in big trouble girl.

the stones were only dangerous in that far away hollywood/rebel without a cause way.

The Beatles were dangerous because they were the agents of Satan (indeed--bigger than Jesus), Dope, and the Anti-War movement.

And even if they werent they were held accountable as such.

As if the Stones had nothing to do with Mr. Satan.




(that said, gosh do they ever look like cute little preschool boys on that cover)

I just like me some bad boys...



...and ponces



....and bad girls

I was gonna argue my point further but you boiled it down.

...and then there were The Pretty Things.