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Mother of accused French art thief says she smashed stolen objects

STRASBOURG, France (AP) - The mother of an accused French art thief told a court Thursday how she used a hammer to destroy works of art and force them into trashbags upon learning of her son's arrest.

Mireille Breitwieser testified on the opening day of the trial of her son, Stephane Breitwieser, 33, who is charged with stealing art from museums across Europe during a seven-year rampage that stunned the art world.

His most valuable haul was Lucas Cranach the Elder's Sybille, Princess of Cleves, valued at the equivalent of about $10 million Cdn and taken from a museum in Baden-Baden, Germany, in 1995, experts said.

The Art Loss Register in Britain said the masterpiece is among those believed destroyed.

Prosecutors said upon learning of her son's arrest, she rushed into his bedroom and chopped up paintings. She allegedly forced treasures down the waste-disposal and threw others into the Rhine-Rhone canal near the Swiss border. She also hid some religious works in a chapel, officials said.

"I blew a fuse," Mireille Breitwieser, who also faces charges, told the court Thursday.

"I put everything into trash bags, the metalwork, the ancient porcelains, the ivories, paintings...I hit them with a hammer to push them down."

She said she believed her son had bought the works at flea markets.

"She is naive and knows nothing of the value of things," Breitwieser said of his mother.

She faces charges of concealment and destruction of stolen goods, and risks five years in prison if convicted by the court in Strasbourg. Anne-Catherine Kleinklauss, the son's ex-girlfriend who acted as a lookout, is accused of receiving stolen items.

Breitwieser, a former waiter who once told a Swiss court his desire to acquire art "became a compulsion," said he had been visiting museums alone since he was 10 and had a passion for works from the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries.

Of his mother, he said: "She threw my life into the trash can."

Defence lawyer Joseph Moser said Stephane Breitwieser was motivated solely by a love of art.

"This is truly passion in its purest form," he said.

"There was no desire for cupidity, no desire for lucre," Moser said outside the courtroom.

"He never resold, or sought to resell, a work of art."

Prosecutors in France have estimated the value of the haul at up to the equivalent of $1.6 billion. But others have offered significantly lower estimates and Swiss authorities have also said it is unclear how much the stolen art was worth.

Bernard Dastries, an official from a French government office for combatting trafficking in cultural relics, said Thursday the haul was worth an estimated $20 million.

Breitwieser, from a well-to-do family in the eastern French region Alsace, could face up to three years in jail for allegedly stealing 23 works in France, plus two in Denmark and one in Austria.

Officials said he stole paintings, tapestries, silver and ivory pieces, and books from 140 museums in Europe starting in 1995. Swiss police arrested him in November 2001 when he returned to a museum to wipe away his fingerprints after stealing a hunting horn.

In the Swiss court, Breitwieser confessed to stealing 239 paintings and museum works, including thefts in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland. His hauls included works by Flemish artist Peter Bruegel and French painters Francois Boucher and Antoine Watteau.

Swiss authorities sentenced him to four years in prison and banned him from the country for 15 years. They extradited him to France in July 2004.


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Someone remind we again, why do we think so highly of the French?


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That is amazingly painful to read. Holy God!


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Oh man, that pisses me off so bad.

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Psst. Don't tell ayah or lady kph (neuro, right?). It might just kill them.

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This kind of shit kills me.


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Someone remind me again, why do we think so highly of the French?


:looks around:


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Someone remind we again, why do we think so highly of the French?


Beelzebub, this horrifies me. Unless you're being ironic, you have taken the exact same tack as the governmentalist left and theist right in finding one perpetrator of an indecency among a population of several million and treated it as synechdochal. Your thought is no different than a Frenchman saying, See, look at Jerry Falwell -- he is indicative of American preoccupation with theology, nay, indoctrination, and disinclination to trust science.

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Someone remind we again, why do we think so highly of the French?


Oh that easy. You see they have contributed more to Science, Philosophy, Literature and Art than probably any other modern nation.

And they have good food, helped the US win it's independance, gave you a nice statue and invented the French Maid's outfit.

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...and besides that, somebody had to like Jerry Lewis. They took a hit for the team there.


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...and besides that, somebody had to like Jerry Lewis. They took a hit for the team there.


Jerry Lewis, the fat, lonely-but-sociable girl of the entertainment world?


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konstantinl Wrote:
Billzebub Wrote:
Someone remind we again, why do we think so highly of the French?


Oh that easy. You see they have contributed more to Science, Philosophy, Literature and Art than probably any other modern nation.

And they have good food, helped the US win it's independance, gave you a nice statue and invented the French Maid's outfit.


Not to mention:
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His most valuable haul was Lucas Cranach the Elder's Sybille, Princess of Cleves, valued at the equivalent of about $10 million Cdn and taken from a museum in Baden-Baden, Germany, in 1995, experts said.



So what's that like $30 US. Which at this point is like 10 Euro. Or like 4 quid.

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Psst. Don't tell ayah or lady kph (neuro, right?). It might just kill them.



I think you mean me (as I work in a museum)? Neuro is my fiance (a man). lady kph is kph's girlfriend and she doen't post here!

regardless. makes me want to cry.


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Monty Wrote:
Psst. Don't tell ayah or lady kph (neuro, right?). It might just kill them.



I think you mean me (as I work in a museum)? Neuro is my fiance (a man). lady kph is kph's girlfriend and she doen't post here!

regardless. makes me want to cry.


Everybody from Boston looks alike anyway.


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yes, myself and lady kph are nearly indistinguishable
(this is funny bc we look nothing alike but you wouldn't know this, woud you? :) )


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Mlle XIX Wrote:
Monty Wrote:
Psst. Don't tell ayah or lady kph (neuro, right?). It might just kill them.



I think you mean me (as I work in a museum)? Neuro is my fiance (a man). lady kph is kph's girlfriend and she doen't post here!

regardless. makes me want to cry.


Everybody from Boston looks alike anyway.


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konstantinl Wrote:
Billzebub Wrote:
Someone remind we again, why do we think so highly of the French?


Oh that easy. You see they have contributed more to Science, Philosophy, Literature and Art than probably any other modern nation.

And they have good food, helped the US win it's independance, gave you a nice statue and invented the French Maid's outfit.


Not to start anything here, but I'm calling bullshit on about half of this Konstie Baby....

Quick look using your criteria (modern nation)

Science: NO
Philosophy: ? (honestly, this one will have to be debated by those in the know) PUSH
Literature: uh, NO
Art: ill throw it up for interpretation (much of this depends on your definition of "modern" I suppose) NO
Food: resounding NO
US Ind.: YES (merci)
Statue of Liberty: I like it, YES (again, merci)
French maid outfits: while i dig the outfit, do French maids exist? or would they just lay on my couch and smoke cigarettes (sort of a more attractive, chain smoking Sen. Loogar I suppose): PUSH

Plus I'm not generalising the French in the way suggested by Monty; "Amercanising" them if you will. I'm generalising them as turds. Not everybody. Just most of them. Fuck people shitting on the USA. I didnt vote for George Bush either time. So what. America is still the best country in the world, George W. or not.

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Just to clarify things when I said "modern" I meant from the Enlightenment onwards.

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Just to clarify things when I said "modern" I meant from the Enlightenment onwards.

Around here that'd mean the years following the release of OK Computer.


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Philosophy? They get one, Descartes.

Literature? Can't hold a candle to English lit. And this dates all the way back to Roland. Early french lit was nothing more than a rip off of the myriad Arthurian legends, and they haven't expanded on it too much. The only writer I find to have done anything remotely interesting is Jarry.

Science? Don't think so. Marie Curie is the last scientific frog of note that I can remember.

US Independence? Sure, they helped, as did the Polish and Germans, and everyone else who had it in them to fight against the world's dominant power. They also sided with the Confederacy 87 years later, and the Nazis not too long after that.

I would love to gush over the French Maid outfit, but Opa would find it offensive.

Now, was my original post tongue in cheek? You bet, so no need to be horrified or appalled.


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Around here that'd mean the years following the release of OK Computer.


easily best post of the thread


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