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6. The Hold Steady - Boys and Girls in America

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The Hold Steady's last record, "Separation Sunday", was a great album in the true sense of the word. A kind of rock opera, with bleak tales of boys and girls from America all degenerate and wasted, being born again in storefront churches and along muddy riverbanks. "Boys and Girls In America" is different, a great collection of songs, rockers and ballads, each one a separate story or character sketch. These are tales that could very well be about you or someone you know. If you happen to be between the ages of 35 and 45, have ingested your share of chemicals and "powders" and spent some time at the bars and hardcore shows, you'll relate. If you also happen to dig The Boss, The Replacements, Husker Du, Thin Lizzy, or Ted Leo then you'll really love this. Make no mistake though these are just touchstones, this is a crack band fronted by one of our best songwriters that fully belongs in the league of the afforementioned bands.

When Craig Finn drops in the little references to Sabbath and Judas Priest, or warped tour shows, rec center dances, girls, drugs or some dive bar, he's winking at you and you get it because you were there. You're transported somewhere in your mind and you smile. Of course, judging by the reactions they provoke in on-line music boards The Hold Steady seems to be one of those love em' or hate em' bands that you can relate to or you can't. For some of us they are playing and singing a soundtrack to days fondly remembered and we love them for it.

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Maybe I'm just missing something here, but I've never quite understood exactly what the appeal was regarding the Hold Steady. Perhaps one of you fine folks out there can explain it to me, because I've been trying to figure it out for a long time now. To me, the Hold Steady is the kind of band that could be grouped metaphorically with a Snake Oil Salesman: they both put on pleasing facade and a nice smile to soften your defenses, then proceed to snooker you when you're not expecting it. Only after you've spent some time and money on it do you realize what steaming pile of dogcrap it really is.

Allmusic described frontman Craig Finn in the following manner: "The guy's not just a storyteller, he's a rock historian, a fan boy gone wild, telling stories of everything he says." If this isn't the biggest load of horseshit I've read in a long time, then I'm not exactly sure what would be. There aren't many lead singers who can ruin an album for me, but Finn falls clearly into that select group of vocalists. And the rest of the band, the coterie of ne’er-do-wells so to speak, who seem talented at first eventually reveal themselves for the phonies they are. One song after the next, this is just a record of bootleg Springsteen ripoffs that the Boss probably wouldn't approach if he had to. To me, this is the kind of garbage that can cause rock & roll to seem unpalatable.



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5. M. Ward - Post-War

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I was late to the game on this album, probably turned off by misconceptions about the title, and the thought that it would be too mellow and folky for my current tastes. I am glad I overcame these misconceptions and gave it a whirl. Though the best song is a cover (Daniel Johnston's "To go Home") and the worst song is the title track, the man probably best known as "that other dude who plays with Conor from Bright Eyes and Jim James from MMJ" delivers one of the best albums of the year. At times mellow, but never falling into the gentle cooing of say, Iron and Wine, and with some subtle Spanish influences and nice backing vocals, fans of the genre, and fans of previous songs like "Vincent O'Brien," shan't be disappointed.

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Street corner revivalism. I always thought M. Ward sounded a little like Leon Redbone… not necessarily in any good way. Here he sounds like Redbone (or Nick Cave, or that guy from Lambchop) covering lost My Morning Jacket songs. Throaty crooning, and classic Americana pop-rocks melodies and instrumentation. Foursquare Gospel music of the diminishing returns. Best when at its quietest and gloomiest, something that provokes an oppressive sadness about this music, swinging in the Southwest reverbs, or bending a Delta blue note. Falling down in the darkened Tin-Pan Alley (not unlike some of Dylan’s Modern Times). Musical soundtrack for shooting heroin in a depression-era Fresno hotel. Check out time approaching, oh what the hell, just one more.

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One of the most immediately likable records I've heard in a long time, M. Ward makes it all sound so easy on Post-War. It's like catchy, poignant songs just happen all by themselves, sliding effortlessly from his earthy voice. And perhaps that also makes this an easy record to take for granted. After all, a song as simple as "Chinese Translation" couldn't have been that difficult to write, could it? On top of that, he didn't write To Go Home, perhaps the highlight of the album. And yet somehow, even though I had never heard the original, that song seemed instantly familiar and just incredibly right. Much of the album is like that, in fact. Sure, there are a few throwaways, but they're inconsequential enough. Vaguely nostalgic, warm and affecting, M. Ward creates a place so comfortable and inviting that you never want to leave, and you'll be coming back often.



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4. The Decemberists - The Crane Wife

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Wait. An artist who writes twelve minute, hyper-literate songs filled with ten-dollar words actually made it into the top twenty? Who screwed up? I thought using fancy words automatically labeled you as a pretentious poseur. I thought writing long songs automatically meant you were just being arty for art’s sake. And it can’t simply be the vocals. Meloy’s no award winner. His nasally delivery coats this whole disc.

Criticisms aside, this disc is not bad. I do not like it as much as Castaways And Cutouts but it is pretty decent. The second track goes on and on and does not seem to accomplish much but tracks like ‘The Crane Wife 3’ and ‘O Valencia’ are textbook Decemberists and as good as anything else they have done or (presumably) will do. I like this but I would not have placed it in the Obner top twenty at all.

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A holdover from childhood, perhaps- I love stories. Well-told stories, even better. Tell me a story. What’s yer story, Ace? Colin Meloy and The Decemberists tell stories. With words. With music. With fervor. I came late in the year to this album, and caught up as quickly as I could.

The core of Decemberists’ music has always been the stories crafted by Meloy, brought to life in appropriate folkie-rockie-indie backdrops with the help of a very talented band. The Crane Wife takes the creaky stories of life’s lesser heroes from the early Decemberist offerings and drenches and distills them, wrings them damp, and presses them through a fractured glass, then reassembles them into steroid- enhanced versions of their former selves.

The musical direction that first emerged in The Tain ep find itself fully realized in the prog-infused 3 song Island set here, with the band stronger and more of a natural single entity than ever before.

I like everything about this album. The pacing is excellent, from the Island set through The Perfect Crime #2 (as close to a pop sing along as there is here) to When The War Came, on to Shankill Butchers, a down-tempo jig whose story is a dark shadow that scuds across one of those fitful, dreadful nights when no sleep can be found. The Crane Wife 1 and 2 end the album, starting out softly, the ocean heard in the distance, but building to a remarkable close, sustained and powerful, the band driving Meloy’s mannered vocals. Superb stories, told by a master storyteller. That’s my story.


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Actually this is a suprise to me. The Hold Steady this low. I figured it would be in the top 3. Also Decemberists being this high actually amazes me, since it seemed like there wasn't much love for it. Perhaps it grew on some people.

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Leon Redbone

Ha ha. I'm thinking Leon is gonna hold as much meaning to the general Obship as a Moms Mabley reference. It's a good comparison, though - wonder if there's a revival in Leon's future?


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Actually this is a suprise to me. The Hold Steady this low. I figured it would be in the top 3. Also Decemberists being this high actually amazes me, since it seemed like there wasn't much love for it. Perhaps it grew on some people.


Decemberists was definitely a grower for me, though it didn't grow enough to make my top 20. I didn't buy the Hold Steady until the this month, and that may be a grower as well, because I don't think it would have made the list. I'm not crazy about the voice..

Yay M. Ward.

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Saturday and Sunday posts will get less responses. The final 6 was pretty easy to figure out from the ones that hadn't been mentioned.

I'll read the reviews later.


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Yeah, I don't think anyone's gonna be surprised at the top 3. I know I won't be. ;)

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Leon Redbone

Ha ha. I'm thinking Leon is gonna hold as much meaning to the general Obship as a Moms Mabley reference. It's a good comparison, though - wonder if there's a revival in Leon's future?


wait, is he the one with the WB frog on his cover?

j/k...seriously though, I've never thought of this comparison at all. Next time I listen to this record, I'll keep it in mind though.

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so far the obner list and my list couldnt be much more different.


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so far the obner list and my list couldnt be much more different.


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Man I really grew to love that Hold Steady album. I was just playing it yesterday afternoon and it's still doing it for me. 'Massive Nights' is one of the best songs of the year. I actually find myself wanting to play this album back to back, like I don't want it to end. That just never fucking happens anymore and is the sure sign of great rock and roll.

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Radcliffe Wrote:
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Leon Redbone

Ha ha. I'm thinking Leon is gonna hold as much meaning to the general Obship as a Moms Mabley reference.


**cough**
enjoy leon.
love moms.
what's next, a totie fields reference?


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what's next, a totie fields reference?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olWDuriJ2iY

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what's next, a totie fields reference?


My first actual obner lol... ayah, the weiner and still champignon.

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Man I really grew to love that Hold Steady album. I was just playing it yesterday afternoon and it's still doing it for me. 'Massive Nights' is one of the best songs of the year. I actually find myself wanting to play this album back to back, like I don't want it to end. That just never fucking happens anymore and is the sure sign of great rock and roll.


I can understand differing tastes (I myself can't listen to Decembrists... wimpy self-important emo-lite posturing... but I can hear how someone could like them). But I can't think how I could trust anyone who could listen to Hold Steady turned up very loud, and not understand this is the heart of rock and roll. I also hear him more like Jim Carroll or Ian Drury than Bruce.

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Leon Redbone

Ha ha. I'm thinking Leon is gonna hold as much meaning to the general Obship as a Moms Mabley reference. It's a good comparison, though - wonder if there's a revival in Leon's future?

Ah yes. The days of the Mike Douglas show with special guests like Moms Mabley or the vocal stylings of >
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Why am I blanking on the other one? Belle, TV, and..?


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DumpJack Wrote:
Man I really grew to love that Hold Steady album. I was just playing it yesterday afternoon and it's still doing it for me. 'Massive Nights' is one of the best songs of the year. I actually find myself wanting to play this album back to back, like I don't want it to end. That just never fucking happens anymore and is the sure sign of great rock and roll.


I can understand differing tastes (I myself can't listen to Decembrists... wimpy self-important emo-lite posturing... but I can hear how someone could like them). But I can't think how I could trust anyone who could listen to Hold Steady turned up very loud, and not understand this is the heart of rock and roll. I also hear him more like Jim Carroll or Ian Drury than Bruce.

The vocals are mixed so low I struggle to make out what he says, and it ruins the experience for me. :shrug:

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Geez, only 1 of the albums in my Top-20 made it on the Schmoo Poll so far. :?


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Geez, only 1 of the albums in my Top-20 made it on the Schmoo Poll so far. :?


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DumpJack Wrote:
Man I really grew to love that Hold Steady album. I was just playing it yesterday afternoon and it's still doing it for me. 'Massive Nights' is one of the best songs of the year. I actually find myself wanting to play this album back to back, like I don't want it to end. That just never fucking happens anymore and is the sure sign of great rock and roll.


"hey citrus
hey liquor
I love it when when you touch each other
hey whiskey
hey ginger
I come to you with rigid fingers.

i see judas in the hard eyes of the boys working the corners.
i feel jesus in the clumsiness of young and awkward lovers.

hey barroom
hey tavern
I find hope in all the souls you gather.
hey citrus
hey liquor
I love it when we come together.

I feel jesus in the clumsiness of young and awkward lovers.
I feel judas in the long odds of the rackets on the corners.
I feel jesus in the tenderness of honest nervous lovers.
I feel judas in the pistols and the pagers that come with all the powders.

lost in fog and love and faithless fear.
I've had kisses that make Judas seem sincere."

who couldn't love this? yesterday i was driving around town to the liquor store on a rare january sunny day, blasting this shit, and not giving a damn about anything in the world.


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DumpJack Wrote:
Man I really grew to love that Hold Steady album. I was just playing it yesterday afternoon and it's still doing it for me. 'Massive Nights' is one of the best songs of the year. I actually find myself wanting to play this album back to back, like I don't want it to end. That just never fucking happens anymore and is the sure sign of great rock and roll.


"hey citrus
hey liquor
I love it when when you touch each other
hey whiskey
hey ginger
I come to you with rigid fingers.

i see judas in the hard eyes of the boys working the corners.
i feel jesus in the clumsiness of young and awkward lovers.

hey barroom
hey tavern
I find hope in all the souls you gather.
hey citrus
hey liquor
I love it when we come together.

I feel jesus in the clumsiness of young and awkward lovers.
I feel judas in the long odds of the rackets on the corners.
I feel jesus in the tenderness of honest nervous lovers.
I feel judas in the pistols and the pagers that come with all the powders.

lost in fog and love and faithless fear.
I've had kisses that make Judas seem sincere."

who couldn't love this? yesterday i was driving around town to the liquor store on a rare january sunny day, blasting this shit, and not giving a damn about anything in the world.


EXACTLY.

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The guys are feeling good about their liquor run
the girls are kinda flirting with the setting sun
we all kind of fumbled through the jitter bug
we were all powered up on some new upper drug
and everything was partying
everyone was pretty
and everyone was coming towards the center of the city
the dancefloor was crowded, the bathrooms were worse
we kissed in your car and we drank from your purse
i had my mouth on her nose when the chaperon said we were dancing too close

we had some massive nights
we got the songs just right
and all i want is time
yea your friends are pretty cool and my friends were acting cool

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we had some massive nights


that line literally gives me goosebumps

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songs about the sentimentality of a drunk - hard for me to not love

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'First Night' is another one that really gets me. I mean he somehow manages to mention a Pringles can in it.

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Borg166 Wrote:
Geez, only 1 of the albums in my Top-20 made it on the Schmoo Poll so far. :?


:ironchef:

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I don't suppose Tom Waits is gonna bring my average up much though five's more than I expected.

1. Tom Waits - Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers and Bastards
2. Various Artists - Rogue's Gallery
3. Scott Walker - The Drift
4. Johnny Cash - American V: A Hundred Highways
5. Cibelle - The Shine Of Dried Electric Leaves
6. Joanna Newsom - Ys
7. Robyn Hitchcock - Ole Tarantula
8. Bob Dylan - Modern Times
9. The Decemberists - The Crane Wife
10. Lambchop - Damaged
11. Liars - Drum's Not Dead
12. Drive By Truckers - A Blessing and a Curse
13. Belle & Sebastian - The Life Pursuit
14. Natacha Atlas - Mish Maoul
15. The Fiery Furnaces - Bitter Tea
16. Richard Butler - Richard Butler
17. Frank Black - Fast Man/Raider Man
18. The Church - Uninvited, Like the Clouds
19. Eels - Live At Town Hall
20. Jerry Lee Lewis - Last Man Standing


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