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I know no really cares on this board but here it is for 2006:

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop06

Albums

1. Dylan, Bob - Modern Times - 1123(95)
2. TV on the Radio - Return To Cookie Mountain - 1109(99)
3. Ghostface Killah - Fishscale - 1031(96)
4. Hold Steady, The - Boys and Girls in America - 983(81)
5. Gnarls Barkley - St Elsewhere - 791(71)
6. Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not - 718(63)
7. Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury - 673(63)
8. Case, Neko - Fox Confessor Brings the Flood - 645(64)
9. Newsom, Joanna - Ys - 626(59)
10. Waits, Tom - Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards - 608(51)
11. Cat Power - The Greatest - 566(57)
12. Sonic Youth - Rather Ripped - 500(49)
13. Decemberists, The - The Crane Wife - 440(42)
14. Belle and Sebastian - The Life Pursuit - 423(38)
15. Jenny Lewis with the Watson Twins - Rabbit Fur Coat - 366(37)
16. Knife - Silent Shout - 355(31)
17. My Chemical Romance - The Black Parade - 354(33)
18. Yo La Tengo - I Am Not Afraid Of You And I Will Beat Your Ass - 342(35)
19. Springsteen, Bruce - We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions - 317(31)
20. Dixie Chicks - Taking the Long Way - 314(29)
21. Ornette Coleman - Sound Grammar - 314(27)
22. Hot Chip - The Warning - 307(28)
23. Band of Horses - Everything All the Time - 297(29)
24. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Show Your Bones - 296(25)
25. Roots, The - Game Theory - 283(33)
26. The Raconteurs - Broken Boy Soldiers - 281(29)
27. Cash, Rosanne - Black Cadillac - 277(27)
28. Justin Timberlake - FutureSex / Lovesounds - 274(28)
29. T.I. - King - 267(24)
30. J Dilla - Donuts - 249(24)
31. Scott Walker - The Drift - 245(18)
32. Elvis Costello & Allen Toussaint - The River In Reverse - 240(23)
33. Beck - The Information - 235(23)
34. Lupe Fiasco - Food & Liquor - 231(26)
35. Destroyer - Destroyer's Rubies - 231(22)
36. Spektor, Regina - Begin to Hope - 225(24)
37. Lily Allen - Alright, Still - 225(23)
38. The Coup - Pick A Bigger Weapon - 222(24)
39. Girl Talk - Night Ripper - 212(22)
40. Thom Yorke - The Eraser - 210(24)
41. Thermals - The Body, The Blood, The Machine - 208(21)
42. Scritti Politti - White Bread, Black Beer - 208(16)
43. New York Dolls - One Day It Will Please Us to Remember Even This - 205(22)
44. Mastodon - Blood Mountain - 199(16)
45. Cash, Johnny - American V: A Hundred Highways - 196(22)
46. Midlake - The Trials Of Van Occupanther - 187(18)
47. Pernice Brothers, The - Live a Little - 186(13)
48. Young, Neil - Living With War - 169(17)
49. Snider, Todd - The Devil You Know - 169(16)
50. Mission of Burma - The Obliterati - 167(18)


Singles

1. Gnarls Barkley - Crazy - 151
2. T.I. - What You Know - 55
3. Aguilera, Christina - Ain't No Other Man - 54
4. Justin Timberlake featuring T.I. - My Love - 53
5. The Raconteurs - Steady, As She Goes - 43
6. Nelly Furtado featuring Timbaland - Promiscuous - 41
7. Justin Timberlake - Sexyback - 38
8. Dixie Chicks - Not Ready To Make Nice - 34
9. Lupe Fiasco - Kick, Push - 32
Arctic Monkeys - I Bet You Look Good on the Dancefloor - 32
11. Killers, The - When You Were Young - 30
12. My Chemical Romance - Welcome to the Black Parade - 29
13. TV on the Radio - Wolf Like Me - 27
14. Hot Chip - Over and Over - 25
15. Lily Allen - Smile - 21
16. Shakira featuring Wyclef Jean - Hips Don't Lie - 20
Prince - Black Sweat - 20
18. Beyoncé - Irreplaceable - 19
19. Rihanna - S.O.S - 18
20. Furtado, Nelly - Maneater - 17
21. Lily Allen - LDN - 16
22. Pipettes - Pull Shapes - 15
Cassie - Me & U - 15
Band of Horses - Funeral - 15
25. Peter Bjorn and John - Young Folks - 14
Kelis - Bossy - 14
27. Cat Power - The Greatest - 13
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Cheated Hearts - 13
Scissor Sisters - I Don't Feel Like Dancin' - 13
New York Dolls - Dance Like a Monkey - 13
Fergie - London Bridge - 13
Clipse featuring Pharrell - Mr. Me Too - 13
Chamillionaire featuring Krayzie Bone - Ridin' - 13
34. Rick Ross - Hustlin' - 12
Lady Sovereign - Love Me Or Hate Me - 12
Corinne Bailey Rae - Put Your Records On - 12
Blige, Mary J. - Be Without You - 12
38. Knife - We Share Our Mother's Health - 11
Camera Obscura - Lloyd, I'm Ready To Be Heartbroken - 11
Beyoncé - Ring The Alarm - 11
41. Pearl Jam - World Wide Suicide - 10
Hot Chip - Boy From School - 10
E-40 featuring Keak Da Sneak - Tell Me When To Go - 10

edit it's for 2006 and not 2007


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http://idolator.com/tunes/jackin%27-pop ... 232928.php

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Spit and sweat. Vodka and pills. Chunks of sod, delta mud, lighter fluid and a well-placed red snapper. That's what popular music is made of. Oh, and this year, add plenty of piss and moan to the mix, since some people who used to make a living going to shows and writing prose about music traded in their +1s for whiny chain emails and ILM message board posts about how the Village Voice is killing music criticism.

Welcome to the Pazz and Jop poll.

In an era when dailies are cutting arts critics by the dozens, the Village Voice is hiring new arts writers for newly created positions. The paper is owned by Village Voice Media, a company that spends millions of dollars a year paying music journalists across 17 American cities. VVM doesn't like thumbsuckers who sit on their ass and stare into their distended navels while hungrier writers are out in the clubs. It's just a little quirk of ours. Get over it.

Many of our writers, along with hundreds from other media outlets, make up this year's Pazz and Jop poll, the 33rd (or 34th) annual poll in which America's top music critics weigh in on the year's best music. Pazz and Jop is the most important critic's poll of the year. It was only a matter of time before someone tried to copy it.

You may have heard that a local gossip website was going to launch its own music poll. You heard it because mainstream media has had a stick up its ass about the alternative weekly universe since the Voice changed hands a year ago. Michaelangelo Matos is a critic who got his start in the alt-weekly world, collecting some of his first freelance paychecks from Village Voice Media newspapers and even working as music editor of the VVM-owned Seattle Weekly before he quit rather than have to actually speak to the new owners. After fleeing the Weekly, it didn't take long for Matos to tire of blogging snotty remarks about his successor at the paper. So he turned chickenshit into chicken salad by trying to run his own music poll on a three-month old sister blog of Gawker, a website which spent 2006 worrying whether Radar would ever publish another issue again while giving us updates on Tony Danza 's ordering habits at Balducci's.

The Village Voice, even after parting ways with long-time music critic and Pazz and Jop founder Robert Christgau, was still conducting its Pazz and Jop Poll. So who gives a shit about a three-month old blog doing a poll of its own?

No one, other than 55-year-old white guys who spend their nights snapping the rubberband of their ponytail while listening to Yo La Tengo reissues that get sent directly to their apartment (since they don't want that upstart calendar editor making 24k a year sorting through their mail back at the office).

Some of those critics, aided by carefully placed PR calls and some daily-newspaper-editor stroking, started the pile-on, attacking the Village Voice after parent company Village Voice Media decided it would rather have in its employ writers who actually went to shows and did some reporting on the artists they were writing about.

Until now, the Village Voice has not commented on any of these non-stories. But at some point, the bullshit gets so thick that you have to flush the toilet and clear the air.

Although many of the stories referred to Pazz and Jop as a venerable and cherished institution, most of these media outlets had little or nothing to say about the poll in year's past, usually not reporting on it at all. They were only interested in our cultural treasure when someone tried to piss on it and they could add their own stream-of-conscience to the golden shower. NPR--an entity living off the teat of government subsidies and Ray Kroc's widow's transfat-drenched death money--decided there was a national story in a guy with a website doing a music poll just like the Village Voice.

"Many of the country's most prominent critics, including Tom Moon of The Philadelphia Inquirer, Ann Powers of The Los Angeles Times and Jim Derogatis of The Chicago Sun-Times have told NPR that they won't be voting in the [Pazz and Jop] poll this year," said the story. Never mind the fact that two out of three of the critics they mentioned by name have collected paychecks from public radio, one of them an old acquaintance of Matos' from Seattle. Silly NPR, full disclosure is for kids. (NPR, which conducted a circle jerk of former Voice employees in a 2006 story, was good enough to tell the listener that Mr. Christgau is now a paid contributor of NPR.) The New York Times and the LA Times joined the whine parade as well--and if the mainstream media runs with a story, you know the conspiracy theorists at the San Francisco Bay Guardian will be right there to pick it up after a few months.

Gawker sent out its invitations to critics in November. How did they get people to contribute? With a small bribe. "As an added bonus," Matos wrote at the bottom of the ballot he sent to more than 1,200 critics, "once you've accepted the invitation, you'll be able to post comments on all Gawker Media blogs." Translation: the once-powerless music critic who accepted the invitation would now be able to call people "douches" under relative anonymity.

Matos kicked off his cover version of Pazz & Jop with a 5,000 word essay in which he mentioned himself more than 125 times. That's something he likes to do, as anyone who read his pamphlet on Prince's Sign O' the Times can attest to.

"I rooted for the Hold Steady on principle, though I do wish their most acclaimed album wasn't also their weakest," wrote Matos, who must have been really tired by the end of it all. Otherwise he would have never written a sentence that made him sound like such a tool (and would easily have earned "douche chill of the week" honors from Gawker, had they not been paying the guy who wrote it).

We're all dancing about architecture. At the end of the day, you don't want to read Matos' rail on about how so very hard it was to put his Gawker poll together, and how he couldn't have guessed how so many critics would have voted for Gnarl's Barkley's "Crazy" as song of the year" (regardless of the fact that "Crazy" was christened song of the year by every music critic back in June). You don't want to hear how some critics are boycotting this poll, or boycotting the other poll, or voting in both.

No.

You just want to know what the best music is to dance to/drink to/fuck to/live to.

That's what the music sections of Village Voice Media ultimately deliver.

Village Voice kills music criticism? Dewey Defeats Truman, Motherfuckers.


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i don't say this lightly to internerds on a music board, but you should really get a life.


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are you off the meds again Chase?

it's the last music list for 2006, you can care or not...

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at work I listened to that dylan like 4 times yesterday. Well, I had headphones on, but the rest of my office did, the suckers. Then, today they listened to 12 Country Golden Greats twice today. Either way, both those albums are ruined for me for a while.

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Bee OK Wrote:
I know no really cares on this board but here it is for 2006:



Oh Fast n bulbous where are you now?


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Pazz n Jop is always the summary-standard... and the list is expected. Modern Times will be remembered by serious music students in 100 years while TV on the Radio will be a footnote.

Actually the list is not dissimilar to Obner, if you factor in that Obner's demographic is 30ish and afrophobic.

New Pazz n Jop website look is too perky and commercial though, in keeping with the destruction of the Village Voice by its new owners.

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harry Wrote:
Modern Times will be remembered by serious music students in 100 years while TV on the Radio will be a footnote.


Dylan will be remembered. Modern Times will be remembered as a crappy Dylan album.


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Modern Times will be remembered by serious music students in 100 years while TV on the Radio will be a footnote.


Dylan will be remembered. Modern Times will be remembered as a crappy Dylan album.
100 years is a long time. From 1907 we celebrate like 3 Sousa marches and 2 things that were just arranged by Sousa.


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Modern Times will be remembered by serious music students in 100 years while TV on the Radio will be a footnote.


Dylan will be remembered. Modern Times will be remembered as a crappy Dylan album.

No one will remember anything of Dylan's past what he released up to and including Blood On The Tracks. No matter how good of an album he released after that, and no matter that Modern Times is a very good album, he had already achieved his most important works in most people's minds. Dylan was finished, historically speaking, with Blood On The Tracks. And that's stupid and unfortunate, of course, because he put out other great music since then.

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for me it was the worst year since 1990 maybe. I liked a lot of stuff, but no real love for anything. I guess I'll always love Cat Power and the Flaming Lips, so they don't count. not complaining, but not jerking off either


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Bee, It's hard to focus on the merits of your threads when you come across like a 10 year old Truman Capote handing a proper tie through the bars to apes at a zoo.

If you're genuinely unaware that you do this, just pretend the above was yet another facetious post.


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This guy has crack Wrote:
Sleepytime Tea Wrote:
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Modern Times will be remembered by serious music students in 100 years while TV on the Radio will be a footnote.


Dylan will be remembered. Modern Times will be remembered as a crappy Dylan album.
100 years is a long time. From 1907 we celebrate like 3 Sousa marches and 2 things that were just arranged by Sousa.



Not to get too purple, but we remember Mahler, Strauss, Wagner, et. al. from 1907.

Now there were crappy Dylan albums, but Modern Times wasn't one of them.

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Modern Times will be remembered by serious music students in 100 years while TV on the Radio will be a footnote.


Dylan will be remembered. Modern Times will be remembered as a crappy Dylan album.

No one will remember anything of Dylan's past what he released up to and including Blood On The Tracks. No matter how good of an album he released after that, and no matter that Modern Times is a very good album, he had already achieved his most important works in most people's minds. Dylan was finished, historically speaking, with Blood On The Tracks. And that's stupid and unfortunate, of course, because he put out other great music since then.


Not to press the analogy beyond its already absurd state, but....

As in probably thought that no one would remember anything after Mahler's Fourth... but in recent decades the Ninth and the unfinished Tenth are hugely respected.

Maybe a better correlation is to Ornete Coleman... great work was done in the 50's and 60's... but what he put out last year is monumental and historical.

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We prefer "THEM-challenged."

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We prefer "THEM-challenged."


Except for the fact that 93% of this board are knee jerk liberals who think black people are noble savages.

I want you to expand on this statement harry, as I think a lot of stuff is given creedence in the parts just by its being made by a minority. Just because there aren't many world beat freaks doesn't make your statement remotely true.

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Sen. LooGAR (D-Pedantic) Wrote:
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afrophobic


We prefer "THEM-challenged."


Except for the fact that 93% of this board are knee jerk liberals who think black people are noble savages.

I want you to expand on this statement harry, as I think a lot of stuff is given creedence in the parts just by its being made by a minority. Just because there aren't many world beat freaks doesn't make your statement remotely true.


Come on loogs...look at the shmoo poll top 20:

1. Belle & Sebastian - The Life Pursuit (148 points)
2. TV on the Radio - Return To Cookie Mountain (131 points)
3. Neko Case - Fox Confessor Brings The Flood (122 points)
4. The Decemberists - The Crane Wife (105 points)
5. M.Ward - Post-War (83 points)
6. The Hold Steady - Boys And Girls In America (81 points)
7. Built to Spill - You In Reverse (80 points)
8. Band Of Horses - Everything All The Time (76 points)
9. Drive By Truckers - A Blessing and a Curse (62 points)
10. Destroyer - Destroyer's Rubies (58 points)
11. Cat Power - The Greatest (57 points)
12. Liars - Drum's Not Dead (54 points)
13. The Brother Kite - Waiting For The Time To Be Right (53 points)
14. Yo La Tengo - I Am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass (52 points)
15. Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out Of This Country (50 points)
16. Junior Boys - So This Is Goodbye (48 points)
16. thom yorke - the eraser (48 points)
18. The Strokes - First Impressions Of Earth (47 points)
19. Silversun Pickups - Carnavas (46 points)
19. The Format - Dog Problems (46 points)
19. The Thermals - The Body, The Blood, The Machine (46 points)

I know TV on the radio has black dude(s) in it but could you come up with a more wonder bread list than this if you purposefully tried?


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But how does that make anyone "afrophobic"?

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Sen. LooGAR (D-Pedantic) Wrote:
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We prefer "THEM-challenged."


Except for the fact that 93% of this board are knee jerk liberals who think black people are noble savages.

I want you to expand on this statement harry, as I think a lot of stuff is given creedence in the parts just by its being made by a minority. Just because there aren't many world beat freaks doesn't make your statement remotely true.


Interesting. So somehow the presence of "those knee-jerk liberals" who have euro-centric and disabling essentialist views of blackness, mean that an exploration of race, culture, and hegemony hits the dead-end of "some of my best CD's are black."

If you want to deconstruct this board through the lens of critical race theory it can be done (a quick search of "mexican, latino, immigrant.." would bring up any number of threads reifying xenophobic notions of "the Other").

But before we do that (I've got time on calendar in March), what I origianlly meant was this board is pretty white... although there is occasionally support for hip-hop and rap, very little interest is shown in soul, the blues, jazz, or (with a few notable exceptions) african popular music.

Fun, huh?

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billy g Wrote:
Sen. LooGAR (D-Pedantic) Wrote:
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afrophobic


We prefer "THEM-challenged."


Except for the fact that 93% of this board are knee jerk liberals who think black people are noble savages.

I want you to expand on this statement harry, as I think a lot of stuff is given creedence in the parts just by its being made by a minority. Just because there aren't many world beat freaks doesn't make your statement remotely true.


Come on loogs...look at the shmoo poll top 20:

1. Belle & Sebastian - The Life Pursuit (148 points)
2. TV on the Radio - Return To Cookie Mountain (131 points)
3. Neko Case - Fox Confessor Brings The Flood (122 points)
4. The Decemberists - The Crane Wife (105 points)
5. M.Ward - Post-War (83 points)
6. The Hold Steady - Boys And Girls In America (81 points)
7. Built to Spill - You In Reverse (80 points)
8. Band Of Horses - Everything All The Time (76 points)
9. Drive By Truckers - A Blessing and a Curse (62 points)
10. Destroyer - Destroyer's Rubies (58 points)
11. Cat Power - The Greatest (57 points)
12. Liars - Drum's Not Dead (54 points)
13. The Brother Kite - Waiting For The Time To Be Right (53 points)
14. Yo La Tengo - I Am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass (52 points)
15. Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out Of This Country (50 points)
16. Junior Boys - So This Is Goodbye (48 points)
16. thom yorke - the eraser (48 points)
18. The Strokes - First Impressions Of Earth (47 points)
19. Silversun Pickups - Carnavas (46 points)
19. The Format - Dog Problems (46 points)
19. The Thermals - The Body, The Blood, The Machine (46 points)


That's not afrophobic, it's rock&rollaphobic.


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Billzebub Wrote:
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We prefer "THEM-challenged."


Except for the fact that 93% of this board are knee jerk liberals who think black people are noble savages.

I want you to expand on this statement harry, as I think a lot of stuff is given creedence in the parts just by its being made by a minority. Just because there aren't many world beat freaks doesn't make your statement remotely true.


Come on loogs...look at the shmoo poll top 20:

1. Belle & Sebastian - The Life Pursuit (148 points)
2. TV on the Radio - Return To Cookie Mountain (131 points)
3. Neko Case - Fox Confessor Brings The Flood (122 points)
4. The Decemberists - The Crane Wife (105 points)
5. M.Ward - Post-War (83 points)
6. The Hold Steady - Boys And Girls In America (81 points)
7. Built to Spill - You In Reverse (80 points)
8. Band Of Horses - Everything All The Time (76 points)
9. Drive By Truckers - A Blessing and a Curse (62 points)
10. Destroyer - Destroyer's Rubies (58 points)
11. Cat Power - The Greatest (57 points)
12. Liars - Drum's Not Dead (54 points)
13. The Brother Kite - Waiting For The Time To Be Right (53 points)
14. Yo La Tengo - I Am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass (52 points)
15. Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out Of This Country (50 points)
16. Junior Boys - So This Is Goodbye (48 points)
16. thom yorke - the eraser (48 points)
18. The Strokes - First Impressions Of Earth (47 points)
19. Silversun Pickups - Carnavas (46 points)
19. The Format - Dog Problems (46 points)
19. The Thermals - The Body, The Blood, The Machine (46 points)


That's not afrophobic, it's rock&rollaphobic.


Yeah but rock and roll has its roots in black rhythmn and blues. Being scared of black people is as good an explanation as I can think of for loving that Belle & Sebastian and Camera Obscura that much :lol: :lol:


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But before we do that (I've got time on calendar in March), what I origianlly meant was this board is pretty white... although there is occasionally support for hip-hop and rap, very little interest is shown in soul, the blues, jazz, or (with a few notable exceptions) african popular music.



As to the non quoted portion of your reply, I think talking about most of those issues is a circle jerk around here, so I respond with some variation of THEM most of the time.

As for the quoted portion, I don't think you and I read the same board. 1) there is an entire seperate (uh, oh, SEGREGATION, YOU'RE RIGHT HARRY!!!!) forum for hip hop. It gets some talk going (although mostly about the worst releases known to man) 2) What about threads like THIS
and THIS

Now, I know they are both started by the same person, and replied to by many of the same people, but c'mon, there are only so many posters who matter.
And again, just because you don't like something made by a black person, doesn't make you afrophobic.

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Being scared of black people is as good an explanation as I can think of for loving that Belle & Sebastian and Camera Obscura that much :lol: :lol:

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Insisting your "black" music be full of so-called THEMness is more disturbing coming from whitey fan than not insisting.

Also, I wish I could say I knew more about jazz, funk and blues. I listen a lot to jazz and blues radio shows, but often don't remember who performs certain pieces.


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Insisting your "black" music be full of so-called THEMness is more disturbing coming from whitey fan than not insisting.



Hmm... I thik that might be an interesting observation if I knew what it meant. Elaborate?

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